HPP Biz

[mermaid53]

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Originally posted by Karma96749

Those who stir the sh-t pot should have to lick the spoon.

Karma

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I thought the saying was, "those that created the .... should have to eat it"..

[Chunkster]

I used to think a park would at least be something in return for HPP's tax money, but my opinion has changed over time. First, I don't think the current BOD is capable of negotiating a deal that would cover us for road wear and liability issues. For that matter, I don't even trust them to make a deal that would guarantee that something would actually be built once the land was donated. Second, I don't trust the county to honor any promises made. They don't exactly have a sterling record in that regard.

Greggor Ilagan should understand the history of this and put any proposal in the form of an ordinance with the force of law, but he hasn't. He's well into his second term and doesn't seem to understand some basic concepts of HPP vs. the county. And even if Ilagan managed to get something "ironclad" passed, the weasels at the county might find a way around it. Is my cynicism showing yet?

[shockwave rider]

The people who bought the dark green house on Beach rd. at the Pahoa side of where it turns into a walking path moved the big boulders to bring equipment in to build the wall. They did not return the boulders to the old position and now people are driving trucks up to the big square rock. The end where the county owned land is has become unusable because it is totally littered with broken glass, used condoms and little plastic baggies, now trucks are driving on what has been a nice walking and sitting area. Too bad we don't have a board that takes care of the things that make our community special!

[kalakoa]

the county land near the corner of C and L Rd and the response was it won't be considered for a park. That the residents in that area don't want the county do improve it.

Even more confused: County land already exists for a park, and some residents don't want it? Why would those residents get their way when others don't, especially considering that ownership/landuse/zoning issues basically don't exist for a parcel that's already County-owned?

Seems like County could make a park on this piece of land without permission or cooperation from HPP. Why not just do that instead? (Unless the point is to engage HPP in "discussion" rather than actually "building a park"...)

[Chunkster]

The county owned parcel near the ocean is already used as a defacto park; it just doesn't get the clean-up and police attention that a real park would have. As shockwave rider correctly notes, it is heavily littered with broken glass and "little baggies," thus making it a detriment to the community rather than an asset. It is also smaller than the parcel on 26th by a factor of about 20, although it is unlikely that the county would use all 20 acres for their proposal.

@Kalakoa: Engaging the mess that is "leadership" of HPP in discussion has to be an interesting exercise for the county. I just have to wonder what the purpose might be. It could be as simple as getting 20 acres of free land for a park that they can claim credit for without providing the usual connective infrastructure. Or it could be more complicated. Are you familiar with the metaphorical term "Byzantine?" Our county government makes the Byzantines seem honest and uncomplicated.

[kalakoa]

I just have to wonder what the purpose might be.

It's pretty obviously not about "building a park" -- my assumption is that any agreements will include some language giving County a free pass on the "private roads" issue: of all the subdivisions, HPP is the most likely to take legal action.

[steve1]

Originally posted by Kalakoa:

"Seems like County could make a park on this piece of land without permission or cooperation from HPP. Why not just do that instead? (Unless the point is to engage HPP in "discussion" rather than actually "building a park"...)"

Easy answer: Any modifications, tree and/ or shrub removal, construction, etc that occurs makai of beach road would fall under double scrutiny because it is 1) so close to the ocean there would be the need for an EIS and 2) there is also some sort of sensitive area designation where all sorts of additional permits and permissions need to be acquired before any work could commence. Not sure of the exact terminology but I did wind up talking to a planner and someone in parks after some anonymous person clear-cut all the tall vegetation in the park a month or two ago. (I have to assume one of the nearby homeowners was trying to enhance their "ocean view" by taking matters into their own hands)

There may also be conflicts between state, county, and federal policies so my guess is that the County really doesn't want to put any effort into a project where they might have to do a lot of extra work. (or adhere to any higher level of governmental standards or scrutiny)

Any paving (like parking spaces) would probably require a wasterwater management plan and perhaps a septic system or drywell and quite frankly a lot of governmental employees are just plain uninspired and waiting for another vacation of for retirement.

[mermaid53]

I went w/a friend to Leilani Estates the other day to look at their park. It was quite impressive. There's a cell tower I believe that has funded, and currently funding it's upkeep. It's a simple design and yet so giving to the community. I don't have any background as to who did all the physical work, how much it cost etc.

There's a big grass field surrounded by a narrow chip seal path for walking or biking that's 1 1/2 miles around (I believe this is what a Leilani resident said). There's a playground near one of the path entrances w/covered tables for shade. Exercise equipment for adults staggered along the pathways. Landscaped beds w/pleasing flora and palms here and there along the pathways w/nearby benches to sit and relax. There was one picnic bench. Each end of the pathway has a doggy bag dispenser and small trash bin. Everything looked well maintained. I don't believe there was any county involvement w/their park. What an accomplishment.

[flyingsurfer]

We can do that at HPP. WE can rase the money ourselves. What HPP really needs,is someone who can research and fill out Grant applications.

[mermaid53]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

the county land near the corner of C and L Rd and the response was it won't be considered for a park. That the residents in that area don't want the county do improve it.

Even more confused: County land already exists for a park, and some residents don't want it? Why would those residents get their way when others don't, especially considering that ownership/landuse/zoning issues basically don't exist for a parcel that's already County-owned?

Seems like County could make a park on this piece of land without permission or cooperation from HPP. Why not just do that instead? (Unless the point is to engage HPP in "discussion" rather than actually "building a park"...)

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I had asked Greggor about the possibility of using the parcel at C & L Rd as a parking area for walkers and providing ocean access for fishermen. It's a very small parcel so wouldn't be suitable for a park per se. Clear the brush, level the lot and bring in gravel at minimum. Securing the entrance w/a chain at night.

HPP residents like walking on L Rd for exercise and parking their cars can be a problem. There's little ocean access left for fisherman as well. I asked him about this 2 yrs ago or so and his reply was that it was bad timing to ask the county for anything.

That the last time they dealt w/HPP over the park issue left them w/bad feelings. He advised waiting awhile before approaching the county about this idea.

Later Greggor told me he had walked the surrounding neighborhood surveying the residents about that small county owned parcel on the ocean. The residents are concerned that developing that parcel in any way would bring in unwanted riff raff and crime.