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Alternatives to Mauna Kea
#31
Justin wrote a superb post covering infrastructure and politics, I have nothing to add to that other than to emphasize the infrastructure already exists on Mauna Kea and the island, so that cuts costs significantly. This saves me a lot of work! I'll concentrate on the science reasons for choosing Mauna Kea.

For an optical/infrared telescope such as the TMT, the main issues that astronomers will use to determine how good a potential site is (not necessarily in order of priority) are:

1) Atmospheric turbulence;

2) Cloud cover;

3) Precipitable water vapour above the site;

4) Atmospheric extinction;

5) Dark skies.

Atmospheric turbulence.
Astronomers measure image quality using a value called "natural seeing". Put simply, it's how much the atmospheres blurs a point source, such as a star, between the light entering the atmosphere and hitting the telescope. The smaller the number, the better. Good seeing means you can see greater detail and also means more photons are concentrated into a smaller area, so sensitivity is increased and it's easier to detect fainter objects.

Seeing is affected by atmospheric turbulence, both in the upper atmosphere and locally, i.e., just above the telescope. Mauna Kea has about the best seeing on the planet. Just one of the factors is that it's on a small island. Winds can easily go around the island rather than being forced to go over the top. Most other mountains are in mountain ranges and the winds can't go around them, they are forced over the top of the mountain, cause local turbulence which degrades seeing. Seeing is a very important factor for both optical and infrared telescopes.

Cloud cover.
I think this one doesn't need a lot of explanation. Astronomers need clear skies. Mauna Kea has more clear nights than just about every other potential site on the planet.

Precipitable water vapour.
The amount of water vapour above the observatory site is a critical factor for infrared observations, especially for those done at longer wavelengths than around 2.3-microns. Water molecules absorb and then re-emit infrared light, so the more water there is the brighter the sky becomes at infrared wavelengths. At a certain point, infrared observations become impossible.

Because of its height, the summit region of Mauna Kea is above most of the water in the atmosphere, so, for instance, it's a far better site than Haleakala for infrared work. Go even higher it gets better, but then you run into other problems. You don't have to go much higher than Mauna Kea to have to start building pressurized rooms at the observatory, so expenses suddenly start to escalate. Mauna Kea's altitude is just about a perfect balance between providing an excellent infrared site and providing expensive facilities to keep people comfortable and safe.

Atmospheric extinction.
Mauna Kea generally has a strong inversion layer a few thousand feet below the summit. As well as keeping most of the water vapour well below the summit, it also keeps atmospheric pollutants down below as well (e.g., vog). Pollutants scatter light, so reduce the number of photons reaching the telescope from astronomical targets. Mauna Kea isn't particularly unique here, but it's a consideration site selectors will include.

Dark skies.
Or light pollution. Although the lights from Big Island towns can be seen from the summit, their effect generally doesn't extend beyond about 30 degrees above the horizon, and most telescopes don't observe that low in the sky (for both mechanical and science reasons, it's very difficult to calibrate a measurement taken below 30 degrees above the horizon). This rules out many potential sites, especially on the mainland.

Hope this has helped. As you might imagine there are many details I've not touched on, but this covers the main areas site selectors look at. The TMT have made their site testing results and documents publicly available if anyone wants to do further research.

http://sitedata.tmt.org/Available_data/sites.html

ETA. Fixed a couple of obvious typos.
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#32
Thanks for your excellent post Tom, very much appreciated. I also really enjoyed reading Justin's reply and thought he touched on some of the critical political and infrastructure criteria I hadn't considered. I also liked Imagtek's response regarding the atmospheric effects and the key role they play for visual astronomy.

The TMT site selection documents are fascinating to read. The mention of light pollution at Mauna Kea (13N) being well below the 65 degree zenith angle was enlightening. I also really enjoyed reading about the MASS and DIMM measurement devices and the associated techniques and processes.

Mauna Kea is indeed a very unique and special place for astronomy.
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#33
Wish there were good alternatives to Mauna Kea...

Pam in CA
Pam in CA
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#34
Well there's always Mauna Loa. Wink Pretty much all the same positives, except for being on an active volcano...
Leilani Estates, 2011 to Present
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#35
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Originally posted by beepbeep

Wish there were good alternatives to Mauna Kea...
There will be by 2030. The Chinese are planning their next Moon landing on the Dark Side, possibly next year. This will be a first for human history. A telescope on the dark side of the Moon will be shielded from the Earth's reflection of sunlight, the mirror can be smaller with no atmospheric distortion, and still be large with 1/6th the gravity.

There really is no good alternative for Mauna Kea right now. Mauna Kea is the tallest mountain on Earth, from ocean bottom level. Mauna Everest does reach higher into the Heavens with respect to the Earth's surface but there is no practical or economic way of putting a large telescope observatory there. There are more space based telescopes on the way but they are horrendously expensive and need unbelievable science and engineering to keep them stable yet able to swing into new viewing positions. The output versus investment ratio is far greater for an Earth bound telescope with access to high bandwidth.

This idea of an alternative for Mauna Kea is the same tactic used by all these protester groups. One "cause" starts wobbling, throw another "cause" in, cling to that more stubbornly than a rock headed baboon, when that cause starts wobbling, quick, jumpt to another until it's all a totally confused mess. Welcome to daily Puna life.

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
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#36
Oh I know there is no alternative. I just wish there were! For example, where I live, they would probably be trying to figure out incentives to lure the telescopes here instead of the other way around.

Pam in CA
Pam in CA
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#37
A telescope on the dark side of the Moon will be shielded from the Earth's reflection

What about the even brighter direct light of the sun? It's not called the dark side of the moon because it's actually dark all of the time, but because it's not visible from earth.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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#38
There is an advantage to placing a radio telescope on the dark side of the moon, as it would be shielded from most earth transmitted radio waves. The signals it would receive would be from non-earth sources. But radio telescopes don't use mirrors so the 1/6 gravity of the moon would have little advantage in their construction.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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#39
Direct sunlight wouldn't be such a big a problem as it is on the Earth for a telescope on the far side of the moon (not the dark side as HOTPE correctly points out). With no atmosphere there's no scattering of sunlight, so with well-designed shielding the telescope (assuming it's a UV, optical or infrared one) could happily observe during the lunar day, although the diurnal range in temperatures would be an enormous problem, but one that orbital observatories face as well.

The big problem would be how to communicate with it.

Shielding the telescope from light reflected from the Earth is totally irrelevant.
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#40
A Chinese base on the dark side of the moon. Sounds like the plot to an old Bond film
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