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No sane person would just give the county 20 acres. Once given, we have lost any say.
HPP already doesn't have any say, or those lots might have something on them.
We could end up with a road maintenance yard or a county building and there wold be NOTHING we could do about it.
I've seen this same argument used against rezoning elsewhere. "What if they build a drive-through Starbucks instead of what they're asking for today."
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@Katarina: Paragraph breaks are your friend. Your post is worthwhile, but it's hard to read.
Ilagan was begging because he wanted to have something, anything, concrete to show off to his largest bloc of constituents (HPP) before running for the state senate. In nearly two terms in office, he has brought home very little in the way of "bricks and mortar" projects. As kalakoa has noted in the past, parks are the low hanging fruit of Hawaii County politician hunter-gatherers.
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Katarina's quote:
Where were you last September when all this was brought to light? We heard over and over to give the board a chance. No other board has been given so many chances. They knew what they were doing and they do not care.
Yes, I did say give the board chances early on...Isn't that what we're supposed to do w/a new board? One bad move doesn't necessarily mean this behavior would continue. Being many were brand new, there were mistakes being made by a few that weren't intentional. That was to be expected in the first couple of months. The level of anger some members had seemed disproportionate and premature. Where are these people now?
These candidates of 2014 came to board mtgs prior to being elected. Some of those meetings were held in the library, up close and personal. They were in attendance at the big special meeting called by 2 minority board members about concerns with the proposed solid and green waste facility planned in HPP, w/out membership approval. That would've cost big monies and the members said that night they wanted to be included in the decision. This mtg stopped the mgmt from proceeding and the former GM gave a presentation at a later membership mtg which got voted down.
Candidates were there when a board mtg was shut down in the first 10 min or so, while an atty was speaking on behalf of the GM, not on the agenda, w/members yelling and asking who was paying for the atty bill and asking the GM and mgmt to resign. Many members were upset that the Pres had shut the mtg down even after members sd they would settle down. The mtg was rescheduled on a Friday night w/less members able to attend. The Pres had to phone everyone who signed in to inform them of the new mtg date.
Candidates were there when an attempt was made to fill a board vacancy at the June board mtg bc the treasurer just resigned 2 wks prior. The minority board and supporting members thwarted that. It was up to the new board coming in the following month, not the outgoing board, to fill the vacancy. They saw all these issues w/their own eyes, first hand. No one had to lead them by their hand. Dysfunction was evident.
Things changed when it hit me personally with the hijacking of the HRC in August, that I was a member of. After I learned the appointed board member didn't change her mind to be on the HRC, that she was uninvited by the hijacker, I knew things weren't being done due to lack of knowledge by this individual. Bylaws were being broken intentionally and w/an agenda behind it. And who the instigator was became clear. The rest of the board was aware of it bc I didn't resign w/out stating why. Shortly after this, the VP initiated shutting the RTSC down. The 1st former Pres sd the VP wrote the letter I received.
My intent was not to rehash over past events but to inform you that this board, as candidates, gleened a lot from their attendance at those tumultuous board mtgs way before they were elected.
(Edited for clarification purposes only.)
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"Where are these people now?" says Mermaid.Fair question but I can only speculate. They were treated horribly for trying to warn everyone and bring what had happened in just a couple months to everyone's attention. They saw the gross violations of the new board and the precariousness that our community was forced into immediately. It obviously was a difficult thing for them to do with the board fighting them and trying to deny our rights to the membership meeting. The board and their backers were on a destructive path from before day 1. Remember the vote? Over 200 people voted no confidence and asked them to resign. Have they done what the membership voted and requested? I can tell you that no attorney would want a case like this and if one could be scrounged up the retainer would be monstrous. The board controls the money. The people who had the courage to stand up to them were treated so disrespectfully. What's wrong is right in this crazy world. We are stuck and with them vetting committee members and potential board members so they will all be on the same agenda. to many weeds to individually pick them off 1 at a time. The whole board needs to implode to get some right minded, sane, rational, logical people in there. No normal person wants to be associated with them. It is going to be a very long haul. 1 lovely couple sold and moved out fearing a special assessment and increasing fees. (Remember BJ telling everyone that we may get a reduction?) So the good stay away or move away and we are left with wicked people who have no problem ruining a persons livelihood and destroying the community.
Your comments about there being a green waste facility in the park is inaccurate.
"Things changed when it hit me personally with the hijacking of the HRC" says Mermaid.... this is one of the major problems. People don't care until it affects them personally. We are a community and are always suppose to be working on it to be a great place to live, not just when it's about us individually.
A year later and this board is still blaming the previous board and the fired employees, give me a break!
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Originally posted by Katarina:
Over 200 people voted no confidence and asked them to resign. Have they done what the membership voted and requested?
Didn't that meeting turn out to be null and void bc the process was done incorrectly? Something about members deviating from the original agenda they presented to the board w/the petition? We didn't hear what the end result of that mtg was from either side.
You said there were 200 votes of no confidence? x's $100 each could hire an atty easily. I know an atty who would take the case.
Your comments about there being a green waste facility in the park is inaccurate.
I never said there was a green waste facility in the park. There was a proposed plan to have a solid and green waste facility. I saw the paperwork and I was at that big meeting where all this was discussed. The plan included paying an engineer to design it, oversee the building and the managing of it for a certain amt of time afterwards. Our road crew would assist here and there. Where were you? Kahunascott discussed this at a board mtg as well.
"this is one of the major problems. People don't care until it affects them personally. We are a community and are always suppose to be working on it to be a great place to live, not just when it's about us individually.
Here we go again w/personal attacks Katarina. Your pattern is to attack whenever anything is said about the TE's...who are suing the association.
You keep saying you attend mtgs, although I rarely see you at one. I attend and when I stand up to say anything, it's for all of us. You have a lot to say here on PT...we need more member's voices at meetings. You're letting those mtgs in Aug and Sep 2014 deter you from standing up for our bylaws anymore? Join the club w/those who are doing it today.
A year later and this board is still blaming the previous board and the fired employees, give me a break!
Please clarify. What board member is still blaming the previous board and the TE's? I haven't heard them say anything publicly for sometime now. They are more focused on chip sealing our roads and deeding our land away, all w/out membership input, and road assessment fees.
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Mermaid, I was not attacking you. I was just stating a fact of human nature. People in general tend to not get involved until they get stung, then things matter to them personally.
Yes, there were over 200 votes at the "Special Membership Meeting" last September voting no confidence with the board and their resignation was requested. If they had had any decency then they would have done what WE asked and we all would have been spared so much angst from all their illegal activities. The meeting filled all the requirements per the by-laws. It was the board who would not post the agenda and tried to delay placing it on the website and then came up with their own agenda and Roseann walked around handing theirs out telling everyone not to listen "these nasty people". They began this way and are still the same. If you believed in them before the meeting, just her behavior should have been enough let alone BJ etc.
200 x $100 sounds wonderful but then what once an attorney has ripped through that cash and the case continues on and on. Not all of us have bottomless pockets and with the board not willing to resign or change their ways, this would be a very long fight with them holding all our funds for their own use. Some fear a special assessment as I said before. The board has not allotted for setting aside any funds for the lawsuit but they sure are willing to spend it on big ticket items. Pretty scary. That is why friends of mine moved. They foresaw a long expensive road ahead and did not want to live in a place run the way it is now. And yes, the board is still blaming the former board etc. Roseann went on for quite awhile 2 meetings ago about how hard this all has been for them. All the hatred and anger and being so misunderstood when they are all trying their best.... yes... give me a break.
On the defensive, I do try my very best to make all the meetings.With kids, grand kids, work and aging parents, I wear many hats. Sometimes I can not or can only attend part of the meeting. I do rely a bit on the information posted here and I do care. I did see the futility is speaking as this board does not and has not listened. They do not want to.
As for the green waste issue. I am not going to split hairs about it. I may not be 100% correct but with the information I heard and was given, I thought it was all about getting the proper permitting so we could get rid of the waste not have a facility in ground here.
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Hope everyone is preparing and will stay safe w/the upcoming storm. Driving around HPP today almost a year after Tropical Storm Iselle, I still see lots of albezias that were here a year ago. We have a brand new Road Assessment Committee, but no committee to address the more important safety issues of logging what TMK's have the large albezias located along main drags and contacting those owners to take action. It'd be a big but important job for whomever took that on. Those trees will continue to threaten our power lines otherwise. We still have many in HPP's easements.
After the storm, we were very fortunate HELCO removed those huge trees off our main drags pronto. We wouldn't have been able to handle most of that on our own. The road reflectors that are missing or damaged haven't been replaced yet. Makuu and Paradise have a real safety issue w/out those reflectors for night time driving and worse yet when it's raining. The RTSC requested the GM look into that a couple of months or more ago.
It's a shame Civil Defense's Darryl Oliveira wasn't asked to speak at our last membership mtg, during our hurricane season. I was invited to a small mtg w/him a few months back, and he said they had learned a lot after Iselle. Communication is key. He was supposed to be a guest speaker but I guess the park and library issue took precedence. The board was reminded but made different choices. Instead Darryl spoke at our July 2015 "Board" mtg w/minimal members present. During a conversation w/him after the board mtg, he said he'd show up anytime to speak and to just give him a call.
I feel more confidence knowing that HPP NW's emergency volunteers, CERT and HPP's Emergency Action Committee have been working over the past year to get emergency plans in place. We had nothing before then. Kudos to them for working so diligently. Also the NW Albezia Committee for all their hard work guiding members in exterminating their albezias.
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Originally posted by mermaid53
Hope everyone is preparing and will stay safe w/the upcoming storm. Driving around HPP today almost a year after Tropical Storm Iselle, I still see lots of albezias that were here a year ago. We have a brand new Road Assessment Committee, but no committee to address the more important safety issues of logging what TMK's have the large albezias located along main drags and contacting those owners to take action. It'd be a big but important job for whomever took that on. Those trees will continue to threaten our power lines otherwise. We still have many in HPP's easements.
After the storm, we were very fortunate HELCO removed those huge trees off our main drags pronto. We wouldn't have been able to handle most of that on our own. The road reflectors that are missing or damaged haven't been replaced yet. Makuu and Paradise have a real safety issue w/out those reflectors for night time driving and worse yet when it's raining. The RTSC requested the GM look into that a couple of months or more ago.
The roads need to be striped before any additional investment is made in RPM's. The only place there is striping is where the county striped for the lava flow on Maku'u Drive. As per county specs the RPM's need to be removed before they stripe and then reinstalled after the striping has been completed.
It's a shame Civil Defense's Darryl Oliveira wasn't asked to speak at our last membership mtg, during our hurricane season. I was invited to a small mtg w/him a few months back, and he said they had learned a lot after Iselle. Communication is key. He was supposed to be a guest speaker but I guess the park and library issue took precedence. The board was reminded but made different choices. Instead Darryl spoke at our July 2015 "Board" mtg w/minimal members present. During a conversation w/him after the board mtg, he said he'd show up anytime to speak and to just give him a call.
I feel more confidence knowing that HPP NW's emergency volunteers, CERT and HPP's Emergency Action Committee have been working over the past year to get emergency plans in place. We had nothing before then. Kudos to them for working so diligently. Also the NW Albezia Committee for all their hard work guiding members in exterminating their albezias.
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Originally posted by mermaid53
After the storm, we were very fortunate HELCO removed those huge trees off our main drags pronto. We wouldn't have been able to handle most of that on our own. The road reflectors that are missing or damaged haven't been replaced yet. Makuu and Paradise have a real safety issue w/out those reflectors for night time driving and worse yet when it's raining. The RTSC requested the GM look into that a couple of months or more ago.
Originally posted by hppwatchdog
The roads need to be striped before any additional investment is made in RPM's. The only place there is striping is where the county striped for the lava flow on Maku'u Drive. As per county specs the RPM's need to be removed before they stripe and then reinstalled after the striping has been completed.
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Yes, that was the add'l thing RTSC had asked the GM to do was to restripe the roads. But RTSC is gone now and can't do follow up w/him. We asked the GM to replace a lot of street signs in the Kaloli Pt area and on Ala Heiau. It looks great. But a cpl signs on K Rd need to have the letters put on them. That somehow was omitted.
And the other policies RTSC had hoped to implement to set road safety standards in the park will never be. If policies were established, all mgmts to come would have guidelines to follow. But we like to start from square 1 in HPP. The VP said she was going to change all of them when she first saw them anyways. I guess she has better ideas that don't involve MUTCD, which is used nationally and by HI county. Why wouldn't the mgmt want to use guidelines that are already tried and true?
Our March and April board minutes still aren't posted but May is. March and April's minutes spoke about the illegal website expenditure and conflict of interest. Is that why? RTSC minutes show dates for their minutes but you can't access them. The road hump policy still hasn't been put back on the website. Did they lose it when it got yanked off w/out board approval?
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Can anyone confirm whether the board is proceeding w/the chip seal project? Apparently a lot owner's easement was getting scraped and asked the employee what he was doing. He said he was widening the road in preparation for "paving". That they're starting from the top.
If there's any truth to this, it's an illegal action spending our monies. Per last board meeting, "no action" was decided.
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