The History of the overthrow told by Hawaiians

[terracore]

Again it's not about ethnicity, it's about nationality. I don't know how many times I can say it."

Unfortunately....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fo...ign_states

[rainyjim]

Nice article terracore. I love wikipedia. Anyone ever read the World Brain by H.G. Wells? Well worth it.

[flyingsurfer]

Queen Liliuokalani said several years after the overthrow. That it was better that the US took over than the other country's that wanted Hawaii. It is my believe that if President Cleveland was re-elected.
The kingdom would have been returned. Hawaii would have become a protectorate of the US. The US was sharply divided on Hawaii.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Again, the only votes that should have been counted were those of Hawaiian Nationals

So if there were 48,000+ Hawaiian Nationals at the time of the election, and 8000 of the total vote said no to statehood as terracore calculated, then let's assume all 8000 no votes were from Hawaiian Nationals, the statehood vote would have passed EVEN IF only Hawaiian Nationals voted. More Hawaiian Nationals voted yes than no.
Right?

[Lodestone]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

Again, the only votes that should have been counted were those of Hawaiian Nationals
statehood vote would have passed EVEN IF only Hawaiian Nationals voted. More Hawaiian Nationals voted yes than no.
Right?

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Exactly. Thanks HOTPE, I was about to post the same thing. It's not about race OR nationality: it's about MATH. Even if you ONLY count the Hawaiian National's vote, the vote is still for statehood.

[Kaimana]

"Out of a total population of 600,000 in the islands and 155,000 registered voters, 140,000 votes were cast"

The entire population of Hawaiian Nationals could have been the ones that were unregistered. The point is that the votes were casted by a majority that weren't Hawaiian Nationals.

It's not simply about the math.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The entire population of Hawaiian Nationals could have been the ones that were unregistered.

Yes, that's a reasonable, logical conclusion. If that's the case, I guess you can continue to believe what you want to believe. Why I bet those white folks who were brought in for the election even prevented the Hawaiian Nationals from voting. It's worse than any of us thought!

[Kaimana]

quote:

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

The entire population of Hawaiian Nationals could have been the ones that were unregistered.

Yes, that's a reasonable, logical conclusion. If that's the case, I guess you can continue to believe what you want to believe. Why I bet those white folks who were brought in for the election even prevented the Hawaiian Nationals from voting. It's worse than any of us thought!

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Smh. I never once brought up race/ethnicity.

The fact of the matter is that anyone who wasn't a descendant of a Hawaiian National should not have been there to begin with.(That's if you believe that the annexation was not valid, of course.)

[rainyjim]

And why shoudln't they have been there kaimana?

Even if they weren't a descendant - if they were there then - if they had their own interests and that of theit descendants in mind should they not have had a say?

Are we even living in the same country?

[leilanidude]

"Out of a total population of 600,000 in the islands and 155,000 registered voters, 140,000 votes were cast"

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Sounds like one heck of a percentage of eligible voters were represented! Out of the total population, subtract those under voting age, those ineligible to vote due to felonies, in prison, etc, and you have a great turnout.