PGV Smelly this AM.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

To wildly paraphrase Gandhi:

When you smell an odor all of the time, the whole world stinks.

[Sugarloaf]

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Originally posted by gypsy69

Sugarloaf, good morning and more importantly welcome to the Punaweb.

Living next to a geothermal power plant is not something new for some of us, including my entire family from here. Being close neighbors with this geothermal plant has helped form the feelings we carry about the plant, or industry today. We know if we lived in a condo on Maui, or In Waikiki, our feelings may be entirely different about this geothermal production. Our quality of life may be entirely different as well?.
Unfortunately we were living here when several or all of the many geothermal plant mishaps and accidents have occurred. Some of these accidents were very frightening to have to live through as kids (1991 blowout) for example. You could sense the fear or concern from everyone involved, including your parents. Yes accidents can and do happen all the time within a mile of your home, usually not by geothermal power plants though. Blow outs like these can have lasting effects, nightmares, change quality of lives, and can leave uncertainties or questions for some time.

Without getting into it to much let me just say, I appreciate your opinion (sugarloaf) on the foul smells we continue to live with here. To help answer your question though about possible alternative motives? We have no real hidden motives against the cause of these oders, anymore than enough is enough with the human ginnie pig treatment from geothermal. The facts that we live with no help offered after these accidents, comparison environmental data, or health studies provided to calm or answer legitimate community concerns is troublesome. Mahalo for caring or lending enough time to allow my rant or opinion on this forum.

P.S. The Smell this time most likely was the Albezia blooming flowers, AND not THIS again: http://www.osti.gov/geothermal/biblio/882452

Aloha.

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Aren't you living on top of a planetary "blowout" when you live on an active volcano? I have to say that I get the distinct impression that what is being attacked is "progress", and odor is just a pretense. It is something the energy industry fights constantly. For example, due to pushback again fossil and nuclear, an energy company started to build a solar plant using mirrors and molten salt to generate steam, and even that received pushback. The "smell" in that case was a tortoise, but the results and motives are the same.

As I said, I am not new to this issue in general or specific, and I would bet dollars to donuts that "smell" is just an excuse. After all, who lives on an active volcano and then complains about the smell from a geo-thermal plant? Not any more than one would move next door to a pulp mill and complain that the smell from somebody's car who works at the plant, is a real problem.

The MO of these sorts of people are easy to spot. It isn't new, it isn't unique and it isn't at all transparent.

[Rene Siracusa]

I came late to this thread - there were already 4 pages.

There is an ohia in Kaohe Homesteads with an 11 ft circumference and an io nest on top. It is protected under the County Exceptional Tree Ordinance, and the size was documented. It is the big mama tree in a kipuka surrounded by ohia that are 8 ft. circumference. They were measured more than 5 years ago, so they are probably bigger now.The entire kipuka, which sits on high ground, was spared the clearing for sugar cane back in the latter half of the 19th century, so these trees are well over 100 years old.

[rainyjim]

I didn't think you'd answer any of my questions Gypsy so i'm not surprised that you chose not to. Its clear that you have nothing but lies to share.

Addressing whether or not he is asking questions or making a statement isn't strictly a grammatical inquiry opihikaobob, nor was that even remotely the only concern I addressed in my post. Your assertion that I had nothing else to say is ludicrous, gypsy failed to respond to a single one of my many queries including his use of a "?". Now I question your reading comprehension as the voracity of the continual stream of drivel that follows your username.

[Opihikaobob]

]vo•rac•i•ty
n. the state of being voracious; rapacity or extreme gluttony

It's good to ask questions, as in voracity : or perhaps what you meant was veracity?
noun ve·rac·i·ty
truth or accuracy

: the quality of being truthful or honest
veracity



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[Opihikaobob]

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Originally posted by Amrita

[quote]Originally posted by TomK

Jim,



"I read that some ohias can reach roughly 50 inches in circumference at the trunk (that would be about 16 inches in diameter), but if an ohia tree really did have a 3-foot diameter, how high would it be?

Not sure if there's answer to that, but is there a general relationship between trunk size and tree height? If there is, does it depend on the species?"

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Up near volcano in the Pu'u Makaala forest reserve 4000 ft elevation there are old old growth Ohia's that are many hundreds of years old and some are larger than 3 feet in diameter. They do not keep growing taller, maybe 60' max height, just wider.

Also I woke up around 1AM and the SO2 smell was very strong. The http://hiso2index.info/ website showed green for Mtn. View and Hilo but that often is the case when my nose and blue tinged air says otherwise. Live in OCLA.

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I wonder why the site you linked to has no measurements for the Pahoa area? Gee could it be that they don't want any measurements near enough to PGV that could indicate leakage from this very ------ neighbor?
The reason I say this is that I have ( as is true for the last 3 days), smelled some degree of SO2 here in Pahoa , and I might add that I have come here everyday for a long, long time , and have not smelled SO2 here really since I reported it to the fire station guys last year - maybe a couple times - not more.
But why no measuring station here - and don't say PGV has one because they have an "ask" but don't "tell " policy " as far as I can tell.

[rainyjim]

You are pretty funny. Hows your latest drug induced stupor treating you?

[Opihikaobob]

Got something against the truth or should I say "vertias".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritas
You missed it the first time around , so here it is again

[Kapoho Joe]

http://72.253.107.171/operatoraqm/

Puna Geothermal Venture - Airnoise Monitor
5-Minute Averaged Air and Noise Data - PGV Monitoring Site A, B, and C
Periodic maintenance and quality control checks are performed on the analyzer system that will result in elevated H2S values.
Therefore, an elevated H2S concentration may not be the result of a release.

H2S Latest
Site Time Value
A 8/14/2015 18:25 0.0 ppb
B 8/14/2015 18:20 0.0 ppb
C 8/14/2015 18:25 0.0 ppb

Noise
Site Time Value
A 8/14/2015 18:25 52.2 dBA
B 8/14/2015 18:20 51.0 dBA
Rainfall
Site Time Value
A 8/14/2015 18:25 1.0 MM
B 8/14/2015 18:20 0.2 MM
C 8/14/2015 18:25 1.2 MM

[Opihikaobob]

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Originally posted by Kapoho Joe

http://72.253.107.171/operatoraqm/

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Not interested in following an undefined or us identified link