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08-21-2015, 06:41 AM
Just to add more confusion to the debate: In the Bishop Museum document collection there is an early 20th century census document in which a small number (less than 100) of people on one island (Kauai?) identified themselves as Menehune, I came across it several years ago while researching something else and couldn't begin to tell anyone where in the collection it is, but it stuck in my mind.
08-21-2015, 08:42 AM
Kaimana states: "When it comes to reparations, it isn't necessarily about ethnicity, it's more about nationality."
According to whom? "The main arguments for sovereignty are about nationality." Again, according to whom? This statement could be misleading. As an attempted legal angle among sovereignty activists who know that openly pushing their agenda laden with racial qualifiers will present even more insurmountable legal obstacles, that may be the case. As for the vast majority of the actual everyday conversation out there, it most certainly does revolve around ethnicity, front and center.
08-21-2015, 10:18 AM
I had this long response that got erased when I accidentally hit back on my phone. Smh. I need to take back my statement about reparations. Now after thinking about it, I'm not familiar with the other arguments for reparations.
The sovereignty issue is about nationality. Look at all the arguments from the protesters on the mountains, none are about ethnicity when it comes to sovereignty. The only people bringing up ethnicity are those who oppose sovereignty. Now those arguing for a nation within a nation, might be a different story.
08-21-2015, 10:45 AM
quote: Hey Kaimana - how do you measure "nationality"? According to the proponents of sovereignty who is IN the "nation" and who ISN'T? How about in your mind?
08-21-2015, 10:52 AM
quote: If you have an ancestor who was a Hawaiian National you should automatically be able to be a Hawaiian National. Anyone could also become a national if they applied like any other country.
08-21-2015, 11:13 AM
quote: Got it. So there's a list?
08-21-2015, 11:17 AM
Kaimana says: "The sovereignty issue is about nationality. Look at all the arguments from the protesters on the mountains, none are about ethnicity when it comes to sovereignty. The only people bringing up ethnicity are those who oppose sovereignty."
Sounds like the makings of another slippery semantics activist word game. Ethnicity never comes up among all the pro-sovereignty chatter. Nothing about the "western mind". No mention of "indigenous" uprising. Nobody staking out claims in reference to noble bloodlines. Nope, never heard any of it.
08-21-2015, 11:32 AM
"If you have an ancestor who was a Hawaiian National you should automatically be able to be a Hawaiian National. Anyone could also become a national if they applied like any other country."
Kaimana likes to talk as if the reinstated kingdom is right around the corner. Serious and dignified stuff. This answer is nothing new. You can find it and the answer to many others in other threads, particularly the older thread about the state judge ruling that the Hawaiian Kingdom still exists. You can read all about how the transition from state back to kingdom might unfold, including the possibility of "mass deportations" from the kingdom of those who can't name one of those Hawaiian National ancestors.
08-21-2015, 01:04 PM
People of the Hawaiian Nation should have an ID card unique to them - like other countries IMO.
08-21-2015, 01:35 PM
Heck, the people of the Kingdom of Xanadu should have an ID card unique to them, too.
Oh look, speaking of pro-sovereignty ethnic segragationists, dakine should definitely have his very own unique ID card. |
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