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Originally posted by salemlampworks
they pass by the unwashed masses Always good to toss an insult at your intended audience. It keeps them on their toes.
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I would ask you to explain how Bernie Sanders as President would affect Puna, but when people can't write or spell I tend to jump to the conclusion that they also don't know much about political systems either, although they definitely heard something on the TV one time by some guy who said socialism is bad.
Just curious, where do you live? I mean really live, because I would bet a stack of hard earned capitalist generated United States greenback dollars* it isn't Puna. Or anywhere near Hawaii.
* I didn't think you would consider a wager if it might be settled in socialistically distributed currency
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Re: Salemlampworks. Sugarloaf
Rob;
I think it is time to retire this pair to their own twisted view of this world lest they continue to harass sincere, compassionate local folks who actually live and work here!,,,
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Wow! What a thread. You all really know how to waste your time. Such ugliness, ignorance. Thanks Frankie for the info. I am way happy to see Bernie making such a dent in the process nationally, and would be more than happy if he could here. Hawaii has been such an 'old boy' kine system, and Bernie is so not that. I am thrilled to see the possibility of there being an alternative to Hillary.
Salemlampworks - If not some version of a socialistic underpinning to our society what do you suggest as an alternative? Homelessness? Sickness? Starvation? Hawaii at least TRIES to deal with reality. I mean come on, your rhetoric is BS, America IS socialistic. What is public education if not a socialistic construct? For god's sake what is the military if not a giant underwriting of a large group of corporations? With tax dollars! And all your Rush Limbaugh type ranting and raving doesn't change that at all.
Bernie, as a voice for rational government, is the first to gain any traction at all. Since the JFK administration was overthrown (coup) we've spent a lifetime with puppets fronting for a corporate sponsored regime. It would be so cool to see an end to that insanity. I am stoked, but unfortunately we here in our almost nonexistent corner of American politics (Hawaii only has 4 electoral votes) have very little sway in the matter. Though you never know and someday our meager contribution may be the one or two votes that decide it all. After all Sir George worked wonders with a few hanging chads.
The thing that I would hope comes out of the Bernie campaign is to rub off on our local politics. To encourage a greater participation of similarly minded people in our local government. We've always had them, especially on the County level, but it sure would be cool if over all that mindset were to take hold when it comes to management of our resources here in the islands. After all the 'good old boys' are dying off, and without Dan at the helm seem to be floundering, so there's a vacuum to be filled, and we sure don't need the type of insanity the Republican national front runner is spewing.
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I have spent a few years living in "socialistic" countries and let me tell you, life can be very good there. My European friends live their lives relatively free of fears we deal with every day. That freedom, which we largely lack, seems to suffuse the daily life there. Puts a different twist on "the land of the free". If Hawaii could morph in that direction I would be pleased.
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Capitalism and communism are economic systems, not government systems. Socialism is an economic system between the two. Pure capitalism is total private ownership, pure communism is total state ownership. There has been enough human experience to show neither pure capitalism or pure communism works in the real world. Most of the industrialized nations are socialist, just some leaning more one way or the other.
Hawaii is hardly socialist. Hawaii is more like you are on your own. There aren't that many governmental safety nets, that is why so many people fail. In Denmark, students receive a monthly government allowance to attend college, their rent and food paid for, no tuition. This is socialism, where the government takes taxes from capitalist enterprises and redistributes it. This is done with a high tax rate. With Denmark, they end up with a population that is well educated and contributes to the society. There is very little crime, poverty or hunger in Denmark, they are on the way to being the first nation to become totally electric. Norway has a 50% tax rate but their medical system is cradle to grave, the citizens never see a medical bill. In a very socialist move, the government invested the North Sea oil dollars and now, each citizen has a net worth over $1 million. There is very little crime, no poverty, no hunger. Not saying any are right or wrong, but time is proving socialism is a better economic system than capitalism or communism. That isn't to say socialism is automatically the solutoin. After all, we know the National Socialist Party as Nazi.
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This is socialism, where the government takes taxes from capitalist enterprises and redistributes it.
Democracy-flavored politics suggest that this "government money" should be spent on the "people's priorities", but somehow this doesn't seem to be the case.
Hawaii is more like you are on your own.
Unless you live on Oahu, where the State's money is spent.
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That isn't to say socialism is automatically the solutoin. After all, we know the National Socialist Party as Nazi.
Nazi's were socialist in name only. They did a poor job of representing and providing for all of their citizens.
It would be like if Puna had a Citizen's Coalition, but the citizens of Puna didn't hear about the secret meetings that took place until after the fact. It's not really a coalition of the citizens. More like a members only private club.
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if Puna had a Citizen's Coalition, but the citizens of Puna didn't hear about the secret meetings that took place until after the fact
Some of the "private" subdivisions already do this; most of the County Council actions are just a song and dance -- whether to shove the decision down our throats, or as a circus to distract from the important issues.
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most of the County Council actions are just a song and dance -- ... as a circus to distract from the important issues.
Regular citizens better watch out if they're honest and call themselves a circus right from the start - - that's when people really get up in arms and decide to take action. We wouldn't want a real circus to accomplish what the surrogate circus failed to do.
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Looks like Bernie is too socialist even for Democrats. 2016 is shaping up to be quite the presidential election year. The Republicans came out like a swarm and are now imploding, never saw anything like it. It's almost like they are heading to None of the Above. Seems like it's too late for some dark horse to show up on either side. This is going to be surreal if the two candidates are determined before the end of the year, leaving 2016 to the choice of VP.
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