Eight more TMT protesters arrested on Mauna Kea

[kalakoa]

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...protesters

Meisenzahl said the employee didn't violate any rules on the mountain because the ahu wasn't an approved or protected structure.

Trask said Hawaiians shouldn't need to get permission from the state to build a religious shrine or have it protected.

I'm going to build a shrine. With a big-screen TV, and cold beer on tap.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I'm going to build a shrine. With a big-screen TV, and cold beer on tap.

You're the last one. Football season started weeks ago. Don't forget the chips and sacred salsa.

[kalakoa]

Football season started weeks ago.

Football would be a desecration. Racist!

[deserteagle50ae]

Yawn...

[TJRETO]

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Originally posted by TomK

Pog,

My Irish father, not a fan of the English, fought against the nazis. My mother, an Austrian, spent WWII as a refugee hiding in the Alps. Both knew that the nazis would kill them first opportunity they got.

I grew up in a free country thanks to them as have others in the US (which includes Hawaii, as you all know). To have someone claim cultural genocide is occurring is an insult to all those that defended our freedoms, whether they are alive or not. Many sacrificed their lives to allow us to live as we do.

Now I'm just downright insulted (not by you, Pog, I think you get it). Few here seem to understand the sacrifices that were made to make your lives possible, but now hopefully one or more of you will understand the moral bankruptcy the MK protectors will stoop to.

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[TJRETO]

Wow! I am new to this aspect of Hawaii culture. I know I dont totally understand the roots of all this. To me, it sounds like bored teenagers;;;;That being said;;;I am proud to be an American and was taught to respect everyone;;;I also have STRONG feelings about people messing up the land. I feel like they could dismantle that eyesore on top of Mauna Kea as it is probably fell into obsolesance...I hope we (as people) find a way to minimize damage to the environment before its too late.

[TJRETO]

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Originally posted by kimo wires

PM2. Building a structure is not desecration except for on Sacred ground which usually refers to the existence of an archaeological site, a temple (Heiau). or grave.
The literal definition gives the example of destroying a grave which is not the case with the TMT site. I don't see how a whole mountain top could fall under that designation.
And its not the actual top that was chosen for the site. Careful consideration was given to limit the visual impact that this structure could possibly create.
I remember when the Ritz Carlton was built on Maui. They found mass graves when they started excavating the site and all work was halted. The whole project was re-engineered and moved away from the beachfront where they wanted to build. But it was built.

Many claim that the Hotel is haunted. It does have a strange vibe to it. I stayed there once and had a vivid dream of a Hawaiian Warrior that night.

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[TJRETO]

I think the observatory is an eyesore as with any manmade structure which will turn into a pile of junk in a 100 short years or less

[AKpilot]

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Originally posted by TJRETO

Wow! I am new to this aspect of Hawaii culture. I know I dont totally understand the roots of all this. To me, it sounds like bored teenagers;;;;That being said;;;I am proud to be an American and was taught to respect everyone;;;I also have STRONG feelings about people messing up the land. I feel like they could dismantle that eyesore on top of Mauna Kea as it is probably fell into obsolesance...I hope we (as people) find a way to minimize damage to the environment before its too late.

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Why do you oppose the TMT and the MK Observatories? Because they "are eyesores"? That is the entire base of your opposition of the observatories; you don't like the way they look up on the Mountain?

I have carefully weighed both sides of the issue before coming to my opinion. I personally know and am neighbors with both Scientists and Protesters. I researched the footprint the TMT was going to take up and yes, I will admit, I even considered the fact that I would be able to see the dome from my home. However, I also considered the scientific advancements it would allow the human race to make. I thought of the unique and pristine environment on the Summit; I also considered how carefully and respectfully my Scientist friends treated that land. I researched just why Hawaii, in conjunction with her Atacaman Southern Hemisphere twin, are such unique Astronomical platforms. I spoke with my protesting neighbors and looked into Native Hawaiian holy sites, access rights, Summit Flora and Fauna.......

Then and only then, did I come to an opinion.

I support the TMT and all Observatories and Workers on the Summit. I am putting in a lot of overtime which has me flying, mostly off Island right now, otherwise I'd be up on the Summit with an "I heart the TMT & Summit Workers!" sign.

I fully support everyone's right to their own opinion. I just hope we, as Americans with a right to our own opinions, realize how fortunate we are to be allowed to exercise that right. I hope that people are smart enough to back up that opinion with facts and not muddle it with hearsay, racism, and talking head-bullet points.

AKpilot



We're all here, because we're not all there!

[dmbwest]

Another opinion no one asked for:

I think the Domes up there look awesome. To me, they represent our highest levels of intellectual curiosity combined with state of ( ) levels of earthbound technology and ingenuity.

.... but I also think Wind Turbines enhance the scene too

aloha,
pog