Hawaiians-Only Election Gets Court Approval

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by PunaMauka2

Uh huh. I suppose "half breed" is off the table though.

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Now you are just trolling.

[PunaMauka2]

You say that about everyone you jump to oppose in a dialog.

...but hey, it's an improvement from the defender of rapists line you previously slung in my direction.

[opihikao]

FYI: Well written opinion regarding Na'i Aupuni effort, and the history of Kanaiolowalu, OHA, and the Ku'e Petition:

http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/10/roll-of...ai-aupuni/

FWIW.

JMO.

[knieft]

Thanks for the link, opihikao.

What a corrupt history. Ms Watson wrote the most reasoned article I have ever read from a "Hawaiian" -- she is the kind of folk that could lead.

Cheers,
Kirt

[Kaimana]

A few things I need to clear up,

1. The "getting totally wiped out" statement from me was in response to HOTPE's response to my original statement that most wars end with a treaty before a nation is totally wiped out. HOTPE responded with "So what you are saying is that once one side was defeated, they were brought before the victors, made to grovel, and forced to sign away their territory in a treaty of cession, and this is preferable to the winning side showing a little respect, and allowing for some small dignity in the process?", which I took as him saying it would be more dignified to get completely defeated rather than live and surrender your land. Miscommunication on both sides.

2. Mt. Viewdude, I understand it was a coup, but as you have stated, they had help from the US which had a treaty in place with the Kingdom of Hawaii to be it's protectorate. The US had the obligation to restore the Kingdom to it's status before it's interference. But even if you believe the US didn't help in the overthrow there still is no explanation as to how a Joint-Resolution was used to transfer sovereignty from Hawaii to the US. Not one that makes any legal sense anyway.

3. The main argument should be nationality, not ethnicity. There is a huge distinction between those two. The Kingdom was not made of only Kanaka's. So all this blood quantum and purity stuff should be a non-issue, which is why I feel that the Na'i Aupuni route is the wrong one to go with.

[ironyak]

Agreed - thanks for the link as it helped answer some questions about how the process is being viewed.

What appear unprecedented is that the DOI proposed rules place the responsibility entirely in Hawaiian hands how to self-organize to move forward. If federal recognition is not the solution, then what is? Until an answer is found that has overwhelming support, any change or improvement appear unlikely.

[kalakoa]

If federal recognition is not the solution, then what is?

Anything less than Federal recognition will prove insufficient for one or more necessary purposes.

Assuming "a Hawaiian government" is created and recognized as a "tribal government", no requirement is implicitly created that "any/all Hawaiians" must affiliate with that government; they are free to continue living the haole lifestyle if they wish -- they are already recognized as citizens of the US, with all the privilege and liability thereof.

Federal government already has policies/procedures in place for dealing with a "tribal government", which precedent already includes the implication that said tribal government be constituted of persons who maintain their social/political ("tribal") affiliations and who can demonstrate meaningful bloodline quanta.

Why re-invent the wheel? It would be more productive to start thinking about what happens next: will the recognized tribal Hawaiian government be given a reservation where they would have sovereign rights to practice the old ways?

Anyone remember the concern some years ago that if the Hawaiians were recognized, they would somehow use their status to circumvent the building codes?

[Punatic007]

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Originally posted by shockwave rider

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Originally posted by PunaMauka2

Uh huh. I suppose "half breed" is off the table though.

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Now you are just trolling.

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No it called humor, somewhat of a necessity in maintaining patience with the sovereignty stuff because if you look at the big picture it affects us all in Puna.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Adding to the discussion and an earlier comment on this thread about the advantages of self government and how Native Hawaiians might decide on a system like FSM:

"What I am saying is that, even within the guidelines of striving to define a model for sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian community, there could be a decision to forgo an independent state (nation) in favor of one, for example, that is a protectorate of the USA. Currently there are several jurisdictions such as the Marshall Islands, Federal States of Micronesia, Palau, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands that all fall into this category, and as such remain semiautonomous, but are afforded the protection and a cooperative working relationship with the USA."

Here is a real world example of how that might play out:

Melisa Laelan was valedictorian in high school and, right after graduating in 1995, enlisted in the U.S. Army. Her uncle is a tribal king in Majuro, making Laelan a princess, but she saw more opportunity for herself in the Army and in America.
http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/10/the-new...-minority/

Even with all of the advantages of political independence, and further advantages of being a real life princess one of the best and brightest from the Marshall Islands has decided she's still better off living the in United States.

[dakine]

Activist Walter Ritte withdraws from Native Hawaiian election:

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - Longtime Native Hawaiian activist Walter Ritte announced Wednesday he is no longer running for a delegate spot in the upcoming Na’i Aupuni election, set for Nov. 1, 2015.

Native Hawaiians who are registered for the election will vote for delegates, who will then meet at a convention, or 'aha, next year to decide what type of nation or government, if any, will be created or reorganized.

Ritte said he's dropping out of the elections because he's concerned about the process -- and it's ultimate end.

"If you're going to plant a seed that is not pono, then you're going to harvest something that is not pono," he said. The election, he added, is "a fake pathway to nationhood and its disillusioned vision of sovereignty."

Ritte, who believes the Kingdom of Hawaii should be restored, not only removed himself for consideration in the vote, but urged others to do the same...

More at: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30378...f-election