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Looks like our governor in Hawaii is on the same page with the President of France, who, you know, is the leader of the country which was actually attacked by terrorists:
French president François Hollande announced Wednesday that the country will welcome as many as 30,000 refugees—all despite the fact that they had nothing to do with the Paris attacks.
http://gawker.com/france-would-still-lik...1743284749
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SuperGu,
c/o Rob Tucker?
Did I even name you specifically? ...and even if I did, so what?
I was making a broad statement referring to the expected xenophobic reaction I hear coming from various social and news media and of course the right wing of the political arena in particular.
But now that you mention it, yes, I have found your comments in various threads relating to the hate speech / free speech issue at Lincoln Park to be very much representative of extreme xenophobic viewpoints.
My other comment in my post was, however, influenced by a comment from someone other than you in this thread.
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It's okay -- everyone can calm down, Gov has already backed down from yesterday's comment.
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/stat...ees-hawaii
Ige said he also realizes people want the state to take care of its own before it takes care of others. But he said Hawaii is doing that, adding the public and private sectors are making progress on addressing homelessness.
...just don't get stung by mosquitos, otherwise you'll have to wait 3-5 weeks for your primary care provider to tell you if you had dengue fever or not. "Take care of its own" indeed.
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...just don't get stung by mosquitos
Because dengue infected mosquitoes in Hawaii actually exist.
Syrian refugees in Hawaii do not exist.
The DOH? With a plan? Somewhere between existence and non-existence?
I know what I'm worried about.
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Dakine, I am 100% against you on the TMT issue, but 100% with you on this issue.
Nobody gets to choose where they are born. I'm assuming most everyone on this board was born in the US, and we are all very lucky for that. Some people were born where terrorists run rampant, there is constant violence, the government is corrupt and has abandoned the people (or is outright persecuting the people), and so people have no choice but to flee.
For anyone to be against helping those people flies in the face of aloha, compassion, and basic human decency.
I'm sure within any group there are a small amount with bad intentions, but that does not mean ban the whole group. Alcohol leads to DUIs and drunk driving accidents, but we don't ban alcohol. Gun death in the US is through the moon, but we won't even reign in automatic weapons. So for Hawaii, or any state in the Union for that matter, to turn their backs on people that have given up literally everything, and spent every last dime to leave Syria and find somewhere safe, just because there MIGHT be 1 in a million who is a terrorist, makes no sense to me.
I think the fact that France itself is still agreeing to take in refugees is very telling. If we don't, we're only helping the terrorists, drawing a wedge between "us" (Western, non-muslims) and "them" (middle Eastern muslims), which is exactly what the terrorists want.
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I guess I am suffering some cognitive dissonance with dakine's defense of accepting Syrian refugees to Hawaii and his defense of the "haoles go home" Mauna Kea "protectors". My sense is that both opponents are standing in the same tub of muck: "you different, you don't belong here..."
I found this to be a particularly inspiring bit of commentary: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-new...iral-video
Condemn the act, condemn the perpetrators, not the society, ethnicity, or the religion.
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"you different, you don't belong here..."
No, totally different: refugees were invited, haoles just sort of showed up with the whole "we own everything" attitude.
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"Refugees often prove to be more industrious and enterprising.....what a breath of fresh air!"
Most of the time, that is 100% correct.
People think that everybody who arrives here is "radicalized". Nothing could be further from the truth. The two young refugees who came here and bombed the Boston Marathon 14 years later were radicalized right here in the good ole USA.
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quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
"you different, you don't belong here..."
No, totally different: refugees were invited, haoles just sort of showed up with the whole "we own everything" attitude.
Drop your American passport right now!,and start living in a hut without all the "haole" stuff: medicine, education, federal benefis, cars, technology etc,etc!!!
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This is a case where Ige needs to show success dealing with the local indigents first. He is going to look contradictory if using indigent camp clearing is policy one day, the next, welcoming more indigents. Indigent people need food, water, someplace to poop and pee, a roof over their head, just for the basics. This takes money and the government, while the only ones allowed to issue money, has very little on its own. To get more money to spend, taxes have to be raised. So, the homeless and refugee advocates are in favor of raising taxes. Otherwise, they are just blowing it out of a blowhole.
This is an interactive animated map depicting the current refugee flood into Europe. A lot of it is javascript drama but the individual datasets can be examined. Psychology tests and studies have found that if rats are packed together too tightly, aberrant behavior develops, violence and competition for resources (John Calhoun, behavioral sinks). This is just the beginning of the giant mass migrations coming.
http://www.lucify.com/the-flow-towards-europe/
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
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