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[kalakoa]

Ad hominem attacks are very uncharitable and do your cause no good.

That's okay, it's a lost cause anyway.

[mermaid53]

Kalakoa, can't you say something more constructive and helpful? We're already feeling downtrodden w/the state we're in. Please...

Arbitration is the only way to clear up this convoluted mess w/the FC. The board hired an atty to see if the board can overturn membership votes. An atty only hears their side and we're paying for it. The Treasurer and VP are pulling the lawsuit card I believe to justify the non transparency that's been going on. Until this is resolved through arbitration, the 2 new FC members should be on the FC and the 2 recently ousted FC members should continue on w/their work on the FC.

There's nothing unethical or illegal over simply adding 2 new members to a committee at a membership mtg. If anything, it's a good thing. Why such resistance against assoc members by these board members? Is this about their losing voting control? Or is there something more concerning going on?

The VP hasn't been a bonafide FC member since June 2015. The board didn't appoint the VP to the FC in the month of June or anytime thereafter. None of the board mtg minutes show this ever occurred. If it was done in an exec session recently, the board should provide copies of the exec session minutes to the membership. All her past FC votes are null and void as is her board appt if it was done illegally in exec session.

Members haven't been given a copy of the atty letter stating the board can overturn the membership vote on the FC issue, or the chip seal issue. The board is proceeding with both issues no matter what the membership voted. They should provide the membership copies of the atty letter. And then they should start the process of arbitration to resolve these matters fairly and per our bylaws when a dispute arises w/the interpretation of our bylaws.

[mermaid53]

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Originally posted by flyingsurfer

Katarina:

You have me confused with someone else.

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You're not as anonymous as you think. You have made public who you are. In regards to the temper aspect of Katarina's post, there are witnesses to your lashing out aggressively towards other members at board and membership mtgs. I was one of them. And you're usually the only one who's doing the yelling. Members don't like being intimidated this way. It's a new year flyingsurfer... maybe you can turn that around.

[Katarina]

I'm not confused FS. I know who you are and I speak the truth. You are one of the V.P's sheeple. They love the blind and ignorant who are happy to not think and follow. VancouverIslander, to you I apologize. I am glad you are spared what is happening in the trenches but I speak the truth here. There is no sugar coating it. Being PC gets you run over. Mermaid is dead on 100% correct with her current posts. We are being trampled. Our by-laws are laughed at by the VP and treasurer. They are lawless and controlling our $ and more. What are the statistical chances of having 100% of a board being idiots, corrupted and law breakers? None of them are fixing things, they divisive. Their lack of doing anything right speaks volumes. If they had the decency to stand up and resign rather than be partakers would be preferable. We do not have a leader with the president. He just doesn't have the smarts or intelligence.

[kalakoa]

can't you say something more constructive and helpful?

Okay: how wonderful that the majority of HPP residents are satisfied with the services offered by the Board. I also enjoy these frequent status updates about the progress being made towards the next batch of lawsuits. HPP is truly enlightened, even more than Seaview.

[CatFincher50]

FYI -

Hawaii Revised Statues 414D - Section 306

[§414D-306] Financial statements for members.

(a)
A corporation upon written demand from a member shall furnish that member its latest annual financial statements, which may be consolidated or combined statements of the corporation and one or more of its subsidiaries or affiliates, as appropriate, that include a balance sheet as of the end of the fiscal year and statement of operations for that year. If financial statements are prepared for the corporation on the basis of generally accepted accounting principles, the annual financial statements must also be prepared on that basis.
(b) If annual financial statements are reported upon by a public accountant, the accountant's report must accompany them. If not, the statements must be accompanied by the statement of the president or the person responsible for the corporation's financial accounting records:
(1) Stating the president's or other person's reasonable belief as to whether the statements were
prepared on the basis of generally accepted accounting principles and, if not, describing the basis of preparation; and
(2) Describing any respects in which the statements were not prepared on a basis of accounting consistent with the statements prepared for the preceding year.

[caveat emptor]

Thank you CatFincher50, posting that saved me time, so, I'll add the HPPOA bylaw which we adopted based upon that statute (keep in mind much of our bylaws are directly taken from State Statutes and in particular, the financial related bylaws).
"Article VIII - Board Of Directors Section 8 Powers and Authority (s) Cause an independent certified public accountant, which may be an individual, firm, partnership, or corporation, to conduct a mandatory annual audit of the financial records of the Association. Copies of the audit shall be available to members upon request."
What part of that last sentence does the BOD have a problem understanding and I especially want to direct this question to the BOD president?
A partial answer to the dilemma that we have raised here of not getting the audit or financials may have recently surfaced in the Nov. 2015 BOD meeting minutes posted on the HPPOA web site (good luck in finding them though). On page 2 it seems that the audit is mentioned, albeit in a clumsy and amateurish fashion (no fault to the recorder), mentioning 2 big hits by the auditor. But, fear not, the treasurer makes sure she places the blame on others.
We should all be relieved and confident that the Board of Directors have everything under control.
So, allow me to restate and refresh previous comments made by Mermaid, Katarina and others that the treasurer has been doing the books and running the financials herself instead of performing her real duties that of being there as an oversight position as stated in the bylaws.
Of course, (here's sarcasm again Flyingburper) she has to keep running the books (pun intended) because she and the VP seem to keep firing every one who questions them, like the last bookkeeper. The new bookkeeper seems to be aware of this as her body language (as the other ladies in the office) projects fear.

[Katarina]

Board meeting Wednesday 20th. Sure hope many can be bothered to show up. We need to make a showing. We have to keep making noise. I know they will not change and will keep on breaking HRS414 and our by-laws but if we do nothing we are responsible as well. The least we can say is we did try. This is the way of lawless sociopaths. They do not have a conscience so they do not feel a bit of guilt and they lie enough they believe their own lies. They are warped enough to feel they don't have to follow the rules but everyone else does. I still just can't get over how gullible so many are.How many are weak and just follow soaking up the lies and defending them. It always baffles me just how many truly stupid ignorant people there are. HPP has more than its share.

[reni]

"Board meeting Wednesday 20th. Sure hope many can be bothered to show up. We need to make a showing. We have to keep making noise."......

This is not constructive.
Organize yourselves, have at least 5 people willing to serve according to our bylaws and statutes.....file suit or request arbitration to remove them.....otherwise, you are just wasting your precious time.

[caveat emptor]

Reni, You quote Katarina and state this, " This is not constructive". When was the last time you came to a BOD meeting and voiced your concerns, demands or recommendations to the board? Then you make some good suggestions, but since you haven't been around and since it appears you haven't read or have forgotten past posts on this topic, you don't realize all of your suggestions have been and are in progress. In particular, an arbitration demand was given to the board two BOD meetings ago by the 2 finance committee members that were correctly voted to the committee by the members in the Oct. membership meeting.
No one should be surprised that not one word about it has been mentioned from the board. How would you advise these 2 on how to make the board president follow the bylaws?
Are you going to donate money to a fund that will pay for an attorney's time? I hope so, because I have heard that that may be in the works. I've already decided to donate when asked and I will do what ever is required of my time as well!