a park for HPP!

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

And wouldn't you rather have a brass plaque that says:
Mayor Billy Kenoi Indoor Tennis Stadium & Basketball Courts

than a wooden marker on a walking path:
Billy's Trail

[kalakoa]

wouldn't you rather have a brass plaque

I wonder if anyone has forecast the County budget based on the new debt service and the additional employees required for maintenance of the facilities purchased with that debt...

[BillyB]

By the time the park is built the population will have doubled in HPP. The need for a park will increase like wise. However the tax base will increase by a factor of at least 5 to 10 times as the homes are built, that's how it gets paid for.
There is so much complaining "nothing for my taxes" then when someone actually finally gets something moving it's "your wasteing my taxes"
I want a family park which seems to be in the works. I didn't want the team sport super platz offered last time.

[kalakoa]

By the time the park is built the population will have doubled in HPP.

Other subdivisions are also seeing population increases, but no parks.

the tax base will increase by a factor of at least 5 to 10 times as the homes are built, that's how it gets paid for.

Less obvious is the exact formula County is using here. How much tax base does my subdivision need to create in order to "win" a free County park?

[james weatherford]

quote:

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Originally posted by kalakoa

By the time the park is built the population will have doubled in HPP.

Other subdivisions are also seeing population increases, but no parks.

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With existing total population and lots not built on, HPP is and will be a major center of population in Puna.
HPP has about 8,800 lots -- far more than any other subdivision in Puna.
25% of Puna's population lives in HPP, now (~12,000+).
about 60% of HPP lots have not been built on.

btw: Hawaiian Beaches Subdivision has a County park.

[kalakoa]

HPP has about 8,800 lots ... about 60% of HPP lots have not been built

I can hardly wait to see how it turns out.

[james weatherford]

... it is what it is...

[kalakoa]

Apparently this is still a thing:

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...es-caveats

I maintain that building a public park in a private subdivision is not an appropriate use of public money -- and the issue is not "does HPP deserve a park" (based on population or tax revenue or whatever justification), it's simply that HPP is apparently unable to guarantee safe public access to that park: users of the park, and emergency responders to any incident in that park, will need a proper road with a maintained surface, clear visibility, regulation striping and reflectors...

Any subdisivion that wants County to build them a public park should be required to provide a public road to that park under the existing "bring it to code and gift it to County" procedure. Not only does this eliminate the "access issues" mentioned above, it makes the subdivision more of a "partner", guarantees that the residents of that subdivision really do want a park created, and mitigates any perception of a "free ride".

[pahoated]

Amusing, it is going through next week. So, it looks like a done deal this time.

Res. 360-16: ACCEPTS THE DONATION OF LOT 31 OF THE HAWAIIAN PARADISE
(Draft 2) PARK SUBDIVISION, BEING TAX MAP KEY: 1-5-039:267, SITUATED AT
KEA‘AU, DISTRICT OF PUNA, COUNTY AND STATE OF HAWAI‘I, FROM
HAWAIIAN PARADISE PARK OWNERS ASSOCIATION
The donation of approximately 20 acres would be used to establish a park.
The Department of Parks and Recreation must develop a master plan for the park
within two years from the date of conveyance, or the property will be returned to
the Hawaiian Paradise Park Owners Association.

Reference: Comm. 592.2
Intr. by: Mr. Ilagan
Approve: FC-43

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

[VancouverIslander]

quote:

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Originally posted by kalakoa

Apparently this is still a thing:

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...es-caveats

I maintain that building a public park in a private subdivision is not an appropriate use of public money -- and the issue is not "does HPP deserve a park" (based on population or tax revenue or whatever justification), it's simply that HPP is apparently unable to guarantee safe public access to that park: users of the park, and emergency responders to any incident in that park, will need a proper road with a maintained surface, clear visibility, regulation striping and reflectors...

Any subdisivion that wants County to build them a public park should be required to provide a public road to that park under the existing "bring it to code and gift it to County" procedure. Not only does this eliminate the "access issues" mentioned above, it makes the subdivision more of a "partner", guarantees that the residents of that subdivision really do want a park created, and mitigates any perception of a "free ride".

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I would argue the opposite, that in light of the questionable process involved in creating the subdivisions, that the county take responsibility for upgrading and maintaining a roadway into a county park. Or just keep it the way it is.

Just call me Mike