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#81
It was set up to be abused.

That's what happens to any project with enough money attached to it -- scamming is one of our few "local industries".

http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/stat...il-project

Rail was under $5B when it started; now it's $8B -- for 75% of the design.
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#82
geochem: while I'm a proponent of geothermal energy, I think gypsy69 is posting personal experience and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. The issues with the plant may be unjustified but maybe they are. There were a number of people reporting respiratory distress during/after Iselle and it's possible it was caused by releases from PGV and it's possible that it wasn't. I lean toward the latter, but I'm not going to tell someone their experiences are invalidated by my preconceptions.

HOTPE's simile with witchcraft is probably apt in this situation.

In the end, the buyout is what it is (I hate that phrase, but I suppose it fits here). I wish gypsy the best of luck coming to a decision and best wishes for a happy healthy future.

Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike
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#83
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Originally posted by VancouverIslander

geochem: while I'm a proponent of geothermal energy, I think gypsy69 is posting personal experience and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. .... but I'm not going to tell someone their experiences are invalidated by my preconceptions.

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In the end, the buyout is what it is (I hate that phrase, but I suppose it fits here). I wish gypsy the best of luck coming to a decision and best wishes for a happy healthy future.

Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike


Mike,
I appreciate your comments. Although I don't believe that I dismiss Mr. Gpys post out of hand or based on preconceptions. To begin, there is some very good science behind my skepticism. There was an epi study done by researchers from UC Berkeley and the NZ public health service on the effects of long term exposures to "low" levels of hydrogen sulfide in the city of Rotorua. I posted a link to the study on this forum some months ago. Very briefly, the results of that study showed that, of the participating residents, those who lived and or worked in the highest exposure areas of Rotorua suffered lower frequencies of respiratory distress than those living/working in the lowest hydrogen sulfide exposure areas. As I recall, I believe the study included residents who had lived/worked in the city for thirty years or more. The study authors cited as supportive evidence for this finding that people who experience reactive airway syndrome (asthma and the like) have been found to have lower levels of endogenously produced hydrogen sulfide in their cells than the population at large - they speculate that the exposure to those levels of hydrogen sulfide may have had a therapeutic effect on that fraction of the population who might otherwise have suffered from the effects of reactive airway syndrome.

With respect to the "low" levels of hydrogen sulfide in Rotorua, I calculated the equivalent hydrogen sulfide exposure levels that would occur at the PGV fence-line monitors - using the same averaging intervals that the Rotorua study used - over a period of several years. The highest calculated exposures at the PGV fence-line came out to about 1% to 2% of the average long-term exposure in Rotorua with the long term calculated average exposure being three to five times lower than the short term averages. These calculated averages were at the PGV fence-line; a mile, or two miles, or ?? miles away, the exposures would be lower still.

On a more basic level, though, if I thought that my family was living in an area that posed a significant health threat to them, and I was offered a buy-out so that I could relocate, the only question I'd need an answer to is: "where do I sign?"
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#84
My belief is that he is using PGV as a scapegoat for not being able to understand that he lives in a very volcanic area that may be contributing to the perceived health issues. There ae many vents that send emmissions out, near his home. His house is about 2.4 miles away from PGV. (my son is a friend of his just graduated son)

Although I have never met him, I have met 2 of his sons and his wife. Very nice people.

I live within a mile of PGV. I have no issues with them, especially since they installed additional sound proofing measures.
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#85
geochem - I'll use Occam's razor on this one and go with drama queen.
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#86
"...a seriously benighted, neurotic individual..." . Yeah I'm favoring that. Methinks he's trolling a good bit of the time on this forum.
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#87
the only question I'd need an answer to is: "where do I sign?"

A problem, once solved, no longer requires management or resources, and leaves nothing to complain about...
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#88
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Originally posted by leilanidude


I live within a mile of PGV. I have no issues with them, especially since they installed additional sound proofing measures.


And just what would those sound proofing measures be exactly? the sound wall that Mike K keeps promising is 3+ years behind schedule...
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#89
Lavalava, you make a good point about the sound proofing walls. This sound proofing should still be a priority With the thousands of once buffering ohia trees now dead or dying,jmo.

One of our main reasons why we went to the county building to get on this county relocation list was because of the response we received from geothermal, helco, and mayors office about the dead or dying ohia trees. Back in the year 2012, I tried yet another round of calls to help make some aware of the thousands of dead or dying Ohia trees around the geothermal power plant. We became very discouraged by the responses from geothermal, helco, and our mayors office. It seemed or felt like they did not care about the ohia trees dying or our childrens health concerns.

Unfortunately we didn't have the same million dollar insurance policies on our ohia trees that Richard Ha had on his banana trees. Without any help, concern, or answers to what was causing the ohia trees to die around our home or neighborhood, we decided to try and relocate.

The county and helco may not have helped my family relocate yet, but they may have helped the ROD fungus relocate and spread like a wild fire,jmo. Concerned here as to why our county had allowed helco to bulldoze several miles of fungus infected or dead ohia trees around or from the geothermal power plant?
Why bulldoze miles or spread the ROD throughout the area instead of launching area environmental or health studies first?
Could large businesses like our counties Ormat owned geothermal power plant be responsible enough to help reforest their leased or owned land parcel, in order to try and regain the original land appearance?













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#90
The soundproofing has already been done - that's why there is now almost no sounds emanating out from the plant!
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