Project to collect feedback about Mauna Kea..

[kalakoa]

Wasn't there a Hawaiian Blessing Ceremony before construction began at the TMT site?

Obviously not performed by the "real" Hawaiians who are now protesting...

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

not performed by the "real" Hawaiians

So we now have the mis-wired, abnormal haole sheep (one might say) incorrectly interpreting actions of the Native Hawaiian people, as well as "real" Hawaiians who take it upon themselves to disrupt a Hawaiian Blessing ceremony by Native Hawaiians, because "they" aren't "real" enough?

Let's take another look at the article dakine re-posted:

Western urban children grow up so closed off in man-made environments that their brains never form a deep or complex connection to the natural world....they end up with a rather cartoonish understanding of the natural world.*

* Personal Disclaimer: The first seven years of my life I grew up with three generations of my family, on a 120 acre dairy farm with 100 milk cows, fields of alfalfa, corn, oats, and a large forest filled with wildlife.

“There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them.”
-Joseph Brodsky

[pahoated]

quote:

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Originally posted by PaulW
It was a logical and sensible thing to do. Obviously rocks weren't all that sacred to them, only to mainlanders that come here and try to be more Hawaiian than the Hawaiians.

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Actually, the quarries were sacred places. Remember, the English word "sacred" is being used here in place of kapu. The christian meaning of sacred is not the same as the kapu meaning. The quarries were strictly for the ali'i, kahuna and warriors. The rest, the makaaina'na, the common people, would be executed if they were found on kapu aina.

Everybody is makaaina'na under the kapu unless you are a pure bloodline descendant of ali'i, kahuna or warriors.

"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"

[kalakoa]

they end up with a rather cartoonish understanding of the natural world

The reality is: different groups of self-proclaimed "native Hawaiians" are currently arguing both for and against TMT. I understand perfectly; it's the natural world that resembles a cartoon.

Everybody is makaaina'na under the kapu unless you are a pure bloodline descendant of ali'i, kahuna or warriors.

This makes it necessary to sequence the DNA of all contested case participants in order to properly determine their standing.

[Guest]

Thank you Pahoated, once again you have impressed me with your knowledge of old Hawaii or Hawaiian history. The way you explained the old Kapu system atop Mauna Kea is the way I remember being taught in school as a keiki, some 30 plus years ago.
Respect atop Mauna kea has been replaced with promised negotiations, negotiations that were never meant to materialize. This continued Awakening, protecting, or rise of the worlds environmental caretakers may need to be respected, included, or recognized once again.

[PaulW]

Okay, now rocks can give permission. It's pretty easy to pollute any debate with such mindless nonsense.
Then again, maybe this explains the trash found everywhere. It also gave permission to be dumped by the roadside.

[TomK]

Rocks that speak was ridiculous, this is just callous.

"I even went so far as to suggest to the interviewer (Mynah Bird) that to me the people who's homes were destroyed by lava were lucky. Not as if they won the lottery lucky, but that they had been touched by nature."

I'll know to say to the next victims of hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, fires, floods and volcanoes that they were lucky to be touched by nature.

[PaulW]

The lava's flowing in an easily accessible spotright now if you want to be "touched by nature" again. Let me know how that feels.

[PaulW]

Hmm, it reminds me of another radio interview of yours where you positively salivated over the prospect of millions dying. Luckily it was another one of your faulty predictions.

[TomK]

"I think the vision and actions of the protestors and TMT designers are quite comparable in fact. Both want to move portions of the mountain in order to attain their goals, one to build a telescope, one group to stop construction. But they both by your description "wound, desecrate" and change the lava flow. So if the protestors approve of this by their own actions, are both groups desecrating the mountain, or are neither?"

"What I'm trying to understand is, do your comments apply to both the TMT and the protestors? The article you referenced from punafish would imply that it does, as the article discusses when two cultures look a single occurrence in the world, but draw two different views of the event. I would like to discover how a similar event (moving lava formations) can have two different interpretations. Isn't that the exact opposite of what is stated in the article? Because if protestors have as you say a "more subtle world view" and are against digging a foundation for the TMT, wouldn't they also defend the sanctity of all other natural formations on Mauna Kea rather than disturb and destroy them?"

Still haven't seen a sensible answer to HOTPE's question. Is there one?