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You live in a Division, you should know what your Division allows or bans.
The farmers markets are the idea of individual fruit and flower stands in a single place. People are going to complain about Hwy 130 endlessly, then want to see fruit, produce and flower stands every other house? dumfux. The eternal conspiracy jihad here are always focusing on the big aina owners while keeping the usual biased eye away from the fact everybody in Puna is living in one subdivision or another, those subdivisions are nonprofit corporations, and they are what divides Hwy 130 into segment by segment. Find out what your subdivision allows, flaky or not flaky, there is going to be a set of bylaws somewhere.
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There is a coffee farmer I know in Ka'u who had a coffee stand that supplemented his farm income, he sold smoothies, sandwiches and cookies, and fresh fruit, as well as mugs, T-shirts and cloth shopping bags with his farm logo on them. He did this for years, then some rich guy from the mainland bought the place next to him and complained to the county about this guy's little coffee stand. The county ruled that he could sell nothing that was not produced on his land: no more sandwiches unless he raised 100% of the ingredients, no more promotional items with his logo on them, no more smoothies if he got the bananas from a neighbor. He ended up becoming one of those farmers who has a day job and farms on the side at night and weekends until the bad neighbor sold out after about 5 years.
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My subdivision allows everything permitted by law and then some. 
I'd just like to see protections for us little guys enshrined in the law, so no one's livelihood (or home, etc) is at risk. I think allowing reasonable home business would allow organic growth where it's needed, instead of the county council taking decades to get it wrong. And it seems there are too many NIMBYs and vested interests for PMAR.
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Originally posted by shockwave rider
There is a coffee farmer I know in Ka'u who had a coffee stand that supplemented his farm income, he sold smoothies, sandwiches and cookies, and fresh fruit, as well as mugs, T-shirts and cloth shopping bags with his farm logo on them. He did this for years, then some rich guy from the mainland bought the place next to him and complained to the county about this guy's little coffee stand. The county ruled that he could sell nothing that was not produced on his land: no more sandwiches unless he raised 100% of the ingredients, no more promotional items with his logo on them, no more smoothies if he got the bananas from a neighbor. He ended up becoming one of those farmers who has a day job and farms on the side at night and weekends until the bad neighbor sold out after about 5 years.
Horrible story. This is why laws (Fed.State/County) and perhaps, the County Charter need to be changed. Those of us with AG land all have the same challenges. Election year, time to vote, not just for the person, but these kind of issues we face. No matter who is in office, I still believe we can help change laws to avoid this kind of situation. Typical BS. Shame on the "bad neighbor". For shame.
pahoated, have to agree. (For the most part)
randomq, also agree. Mahalo. Although, "vested interest" is in the eye of the beholder. Those of us who have been here for generations, including the Shipman ohana, Lyman ohana, Keli'iho'omalu ohana, Ka'awaloa ohana, Hauanio ohana, etc., and many others, only want to protect our land, and not have to sell. Our aina is ours by birthright, and along with that comes responsibility and bloody taxes. Property taxes are a killer, even for AG land!
We could be managing our AG lands and combine commercial use, to avoid a repeat of the story shockwave rider related. County Charter needs changes, which elected official will spearhead the effort? We shall see.
JMO.
ETA: clarity; sorry.
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dumfux?
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I am so grateful that I was able to afford to live in Puna and retired here and bought property (4 acres) in 2002. The inconveniences are well outweighed by affordability. My home worth about the same now as then; 250K. I shop at Wallmart and KTA about once a week. I go at 5:45 AM just after daylight as I'm 75 and don't like driving at night. Both stores are open, (wish Target would open earlier.) Not much traffic including inside the store. Get gas on way back at HFN. Between if I need stuff its more expensive Foodland or True Value or Longs. I would only say everyone "Be careful what you pray for." This could happen here if the general wishes for upgrades posted here are met. $650K for a shack.
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Thanks Opihikao, point taken.
Bad traffic certainly does increase the value of convenience shopping, which is a boon to local, small business.
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People are going to complain about Hwy 130 endlessly, then want to see fruit, produce and flower stands every other house?
Produce stands at every other house would make a lovely nonviolent protest movement.
Especially if they were all along Road 8, which is the de-facto bypass for 130 congestion.
I'd just like to see protections for us little guys enshrined in the law
Totally agree; have been saying this for years. Too many Puna residents are just a "complaint-driven enforcement" away from being homeless: good use of our tax dollars?
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Bad traffic certainly does increase the value of convenience shopping, which is a boon to local, small business.
Except that all "convenience shopping" can only happen where zoning allows; the fine PCDP documents "village centers" and "town centers" for this purpose -- but no new locations, only those which already exist and/or cannot be built (HPP) or expanded (Orchidland).
The bigger problem is that all current "planning" efforts are based on the obsolete retail paradigm when technologies exist for a better solution. It's time we skipped past the "more roads for more cars to make more trips to town" in favor of something better.
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quote:
Originally posted by opihikao
[quote]Originally posted by shockwave rider
County Charter needs changes, which elected official will spearhead the effort?
The County Charter can be, and has been, changed solely through citizen initiative.
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