PGV had a plant failure today and a release.

[leilanidude]

Your cell phone wouldn't work either?

[Guest]

Leilanidude. We don't own or have Cell phones in the home, no T.V distractions allowed in this home either.

[leilanidude]

So great learning shows that exist on many channels like Animal Planet, Discovery, National Geographic, Smithsonian, Science Channel, The Learning Channel, etc, aren't allowed in your home? That kinda explains a lot of things. I wouldn't call learning, a distraction.

[Guest]

leilanidude, why choose to learn life by watching it, when you can live life? Many of Those channels your watching on t.v pay people to film in unique places like Puna.

Certainly, I wouldn't call learning a distraction. Just saying, there may be many ways to learn things in life. It's already Hard enough in today's times trying to convince our children the importance of higher education, distance running, hard work and living a healthy, balanced lifestyle. Sorry, I can not see how living with a T.V, cell phone, or video games for that matter would help me or them with any of those things.

[kalakoa]

why choose to learn life by watching it, when you can live life?

Especially when that life consists of obsessing over PGV, TMT, and the myriad secret connections between the two.

[ElysianWort]

Hmmm this thread has taken a little twist. So maybe some people might be hypochondriacs to a degree. Or maybe they are hypersensitive? Possibly feeling effects others cannot?
Anyhow I was laughing after reading how a TV is supposed to be an important learning tool. It may have informative shows but it promotes anti-social behavior, spews out brainwashing ads and tends to lead to lots of sitting. (Very healthy) Also helps to influence teens self image views.

[Guest]

Good one Kalakoa.
Those obsessions of mine beats obsessing over what's on the T.V because they do effect my family and community. Yes, I am concerned that If projects like the TMT's are to be built on Mauna Kea, then my back yard will have an increase of geothermal operations for generations to come. The TMT alone if built and operational will need and use roughly 5-10 million worth of electricity a year, while also demanding electricity priority over the rest of the island. That's right, many may be left in the dark without power while the TMT continues operating. I am not in favor of using Pele's gifts on the summit of Mauna Kea to enrich foreign entities like the TMT. jmo


Did you know that most people's cable box for their t.v has become the second biggest energy user in their home, behind air conditioners?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-powe...story.html

Unfortunately for many in my homelands, Their Hawaiian culture is being replaced with the connected culture. Even in once rural places like Puna and the summit of Mauna Kea. jmo

[TomK]

"The TMT alone if built and operational will need and use roughly 5-10 million worth of electricity a year, while also demanding electricity priority over the rest of the island."

Please provide evidence for both of these claims.

[Guest]

Just 4-you TomK. Please scroll down to #6 and read about 2011's $90,000 a month electricity bills by telescopes much smaller than the TMT.
http://www.keckobservatory.org/recent/en...yths_facts

The other claim I made is just common sense TomK. Hilo and Puna residents are not allowed the brighter street lights for their keiki's safety or flashy neon lighted bill boards for advertisments due to the Astronomy communities important work being done on top of Mauna Kea. Why would several nations governments build a giant billion dollar telescope without certainty of the needed electricity to operate it? My electricity in my home alone has gone out many of times in the past 3 years causing problems to some household appliances. How many times has the electricity gone out for the Telescopes in the last three years? Also, what kind of damage could the loss of electricity pose to a telescope like the TMT?

[TomK]

Again:

"The TMT alone if built and operational will need and use roughly 5-10 million worth of electricity a year, while also demanding electricity priority over the rest of the island."

Please provide evidence for both of these claims.

PS. Helco power goes out for the observatories just as it does for everyone else. Do you have evidence it doesn't?