PGV had a plant failure today and a release.

[PaulW]

Was that posting an opinion piece or an article? I'm having trouble telling the difference.

[kalakoa]

TMT's energy costs are estimated to be similar to Keck's, or about $1.1 million a year in 2011 dollars

1. This sounds like "job creation" to me.

less than the electrical power use associated with a number of different commercial facilities, including resort hotels

2. Resorts are obviously a "desecration" and must be shut down. We should close three of them, just to even things out.

[opihikao]

FYI (*Posted today, 10/5 at approx. 12:40pm): (From KWXX Radio Station)

PGV will be pressure testing one of the plant's safety valves with nitrogen and only nitrogen, Nearby residents may hear the valve opening and releasing the nitrogen over the next hour. This is a routine testing procedure.

For any questions, please call the PGV hotline at 866-517-1610

ETA: Date and time posted at KWXX

[Guest]

Which Geothermal power plant in Poihiki was doing the pressure testing and which one was leaking for a couple days recently?

Interesting article here that helps explain the difference between the Two different geothermal plants that are both located in Poihiki. It appears that One plant is being operated solely by Helco, maybe that is why Helco makes the decisions now for things like shutting down before storms.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/arti...pment.html

When new expansion experiments or tests are conducted in sensitive rare environments or within residential areas like Puna's. Wouldn't health or environmental studies also be considered at this time of expansion, especially if also wanted by the community and Mayor?

Does Helco also take calls from concerned residents and do they have a hotline#?

[leilanidude]

Which Geothermal power plant in Poihiki was doing the pressure testing and which one was leaking for a couple days recently?
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PGV had the leak and PGV was testing. It could have been either of the 2. It could have been that the pressure test was on the one that had the release or the other one. It doesn't really matter which one did what. Here is why:

PGV built and operates both which are side-by-side. The one can do 35MW the other 8MW. HELCO only controls the output of the 8MW plant and that is based upon grid power needs at any given moment.

The more we get from geothermal, the less oil we need to import inside tanker ships, of which, someday we will have a massive coastal oil spill. I will take geothermal any day over that scenario.

[Guest]

Please Leilanidude, stop the scare mongering. 90% of Hawaii's imported oil is used for transportation for things like tourist rental cars and resort shuttle vans. We have a fast growing tourism industry right now that will continue to demand all that oil no matter how much geothermal happens here in Puna. jmo

The TMT telescope will need geothermal for it's mass electricity needs. The continued development on the summit of Mauna kea of large telescopes increases the need for electricity. Geothermal energy is part of the electric grid today and may be a much bigger player in the near future. With a few less telescopes on Mauna Kea maybe we wouldn't need any more geothermal plants in our Puna rain forest. jmo

http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/1...nt-vision/

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Please Leilanidude, stop the scare mongering. 90% of Hawaii's imported oil is used for transportation

Oil is shipped to and processed in Honolulu. Gasoline and fuel oil is shipped from Honolulu to Hilo. A gasoline spill from a ship while serious, will dissipate over a limited time frame as it is a thin liquid. Fuel oil, as used in our electric generators is thick, gooey, and extremely dangerous to fish, birds, and all sea life were it to leak or spill while in transport. There goes the fishing for a long, long, time... but at least it doesn't smell like old eggs.

No fathers or mothers think their own children ugly; and this self-deceit is yet stronger with respect to the offspring of the mind. -Miguel de Cervantes, novelist (1547-1616)

[leilanidude]

It isn't fear mongering (you already cornered the market on that). I would rather have gasoline spill than bunker oil. Do you know the difference and understand why I would say that?

Besides, the cheaper the electricity gets, the more it makes sense on this island, to have electric vehicles instead of gas and diesel. Another plus is that cheap electricity can produce hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles. Again, getting rid of gas and diesel needs.

As to TMT needing "mass electricity needs", TomK already disproved your claims in the other thread. HELCO also stated that there were no additional needs presented by TMT that they couldn't meet already.

[PaulW]

Gypsy says: "90% of Hawaii's imported oil is used for transportation"
Is that true? Could be, but seems unlikely. Where did you get that number from?

[leilanidude]

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Originally posted by PaulW

Gypsy says: "90% of Hawaii's imported oil is used for transportation"
Is that true? Could be, but seems unlikely. Where did you get that number from?

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Not any where legitimate. []