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What county does is not my concern right now im talking about using unlicensed individuals to work on hpp roads to the tune of putting 50k in their pockets
Violations of State and/or County law should be investigated and prosecuted, right?
Massive cost overruns for County projects are okay, because the contractors are licensed?
It's pretty much all the same problem.
using a licensed contractor does not mean massive cost overrun.. if you think the county has massive cost overruns because they use contractors that are licensed you are entitled to your opinion.using a licensed contractor would put the perspective buyer (county,state,residential,commercial) in the position that legally the fault does not fall back on them...having someone unlicensed and God forbid a fatal accident occurs who do you think is liable????? Your product unravels in 6months what then? Having the knowledge on the right way to apply asphalt or chipseal does fall under a licensed contractor like it or not
Cheaper is not always better!!#also most times it ends up costing more in the long run.
I dont know about you but id rather spend the funds on roads abd maintenance than on more legal fees
Licensed and bonded tend to get lumped together, but they are very separate things.
Licensed means the contractor has met the requirements of the state for that trade.
Bonded and insured means that the contractor has paid for insurance coverage for things like that fatal accident, and that a bonding company is promising the contractor isn't going to take the money the customer paid for materials and leave town, or else they have to make the customer whole. Depending on the state the bonding agent may also cover malfeasance (doing the right thing but badly) or misfeasance (doing the wrong thing) as well as nonfeasance (doing nothing).
Exactly!!!! And in order to hold a valid license they have to have the insurance otherwise the state pulls their license,the bonding is a requirement from job to job that states they require bonding for a specific project.. Point being without a licensed contractor doing the roads who is liable? where is the warranty for thousands of dollars of work? and where are the funds going to come from in order to cover any mishaps/losses/liabilities?
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having someone unlicensed and God forbid a fatal accident occurs who do you think is liable?????
These are "privately owned" roads, so it's really not clear how the contractor's license status affects liability. The fatal accident still occurs on "private" property whether due to lack of maintenance or shoddy maintenance.
(While the fatal accident would be unfortunate, the resulting lawsuit is long past due.)
if you think the county has massive cost overruns because they use contractors that are licensed
That's fair: County would manage massive cost overruns whether or not the contractors were licensed. Case in point: I've never heard of "retroactive overtime" until these recent projects.
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Privately owned roads doesnt make it exempt from following state and county laws as far as retro overtime talk to the mayor!hpp is not part of county projects this issue does not apply however HPP does have to follow state laws ....sorry
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I'm on a dead end with terrible pot holes. It has been "repaired" twice in the last 6 months. Instead of scraping down and redoing the thing, they have only filled pot holes. The gravel washes out at the first rain and the road is back to where it was before.
I think those of us on this section should secede from the association. Form our own board, have the road fees come to us and just take care of it ourselves.
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I agree with you as i feel every owner should secede and not have to pay for a product they arent getting!
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Just playing the devil's advocate here... HPP's own road crews aren't licensed... but yet they can fix the roads...
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Privately owned roads doesnt make it exempt from following state and county laws
County law requires the developers to pave the roads prior to final subdivision plat approval, yet somehow all these unpaved roads got created despite the law.
Today, we have "competing boards" and "management lawsuits" instead of going after the people who created the problem.
HPP's own road crews aren't licensed... but yet they can fix the roads...
Selective interpretation, meet selective enforcement.
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hpp road crews are not licensed agreed but they are doing the subbase for the roads they are not building roads.
Hpp road crews are attempting dust abatement they even went as far as purchasing a water truck.
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Bottom line here is something needs to change there is little to no progress on improving the roads yet dues are still expected to be collected for a service and product that is substandard to invisible. Possibly we can all work together to change this
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Bottom line here is something needs to change there is little to no progress
Did you know PunaWeb has a "search" feature? With the right keywords, you can find posts about this exact same problem over the years.
Even more amusing, if you can find a copy of the Hawaiian Acres newsletter from 1962, there's a full-page rant about this exact same problem.
In fact, right now both HPP and OLE are going through almost exactly the same issue -- mandatory dues are collected, the people "in charge" are "spending it wrong", different people are filing lawsuits to get control of the money so they can "do the right thing" with it -- meanwhile the roads keep deteriorating (basically, every time it rains and/or someone drives on them).
County doesn't care! In fact, County prefers that all the subdivisions keep arguing amongst themselves, because that keeps everyone distracted from the fact that County screwed everyone over the minute they granted final plat approval without requiring the roads be paved as is the law.
Try a different perspective:
Assume a car repair bill of $1000/year due to poorly maintained roads. If County paved all the roads, how much of a property tax increase would be required? Would the accounting of these monies be transparent to the public who pays them?
Remember, this is the same County that took out $100M bond debt, and spent about half of that on a park and a golf course, including permits to build the golf course clubhouse in a right-of-way which permanently limits growth in the immediate area. Must be okay, because they gave themselves a permit, even though "the law" says otherwise.
