HPP mailbox vote

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

mailboxes along Shower, Kaloli, Paradise and Makuu is not only insufficient but is actually dangerous to the postal workers and to us, the customers.

I have had my mailbox on Paradise for 17 years. I have never seen an injury to a customer or postal delivery person in all that time. Has anyone else?

I'd like to keep my box at that location, and not be fear mongered into driving hundreds of miles extra every year to a "convenient" "safe" centralized location.

I'm more likely to get bit by a shark dipping my toes in the tide pools at the end of Ala Heiau Road, than get dangerously injured checking my mail for 30 seconds every day, six days a week.

"Only fear real things, such as minds full of delusions." -Last Aphorisms

[mermaid53]

4. There would be a one-time fee. (This still needs to be worked out but should be negligible. The fee is because we, HPPOA, will need to purchase the NDCBUs. The US Postal Service will not provide them.

How about FIRST working w/the Finance Committee to get the financing figured out? THEN make a PROPOSAL via board presentation at a MEMBERSHIP mtg? I personally don't trust our money is being managed transparently or correctly. Once you axe out the FC from the equation of all the big money expenditures, that's a big red flag. The board has broken the bylaws about managing the membership's money without FC involvement.

[mermaid53]

I was reading the HPPOA Annual Update Jan 2017 enclosed w/our bill and noticed something highly irregular....unbelievably irregular...

If you look at the "HPPOA Committee's" on page 2, the board has excluded the Finance Committee. It's mandatory to have a FC, the membership's ONLY checks and balances overseeing OUR $$$$. As I said, it's MANDATORY for this committee to exist FOR US. The board is obstructing them from meeting, getting financial details and they're spending big bucks w/no membership oversight. BIG RED FLAG. Now it appears they think they disbanded them??? What are they hiding!? Is this exclusion an error? With what the board has been doing to the FC, it's doubtful.

And another highly irregular ILLEGAL BOARD committee has been formed, the "Election Committee". You have pretty much the same people on this committee as the Nominating Committee (a membership committee). And some of them were part of the picture in the Election FRAUD last year.

It's a conflict of interest to have a board committee participating in the membership's district elections, another red flag. The board is NOT supposed to meddle in OUR elections, as they did last year. Now they're going to do it under the guise of an illegal Election Committee???

These are the people in charge of managing our roads and OUR $$$ including this mailbox issue. Best to vote NO on the mailbox until this board fixes this issue w/our $$$$ and the FC FIRST. The board wants ALL our $$$ up front...RED FLAG and we need to know that everything's up and up w/OUR $$$ FIRST after the FC has been provided ALL the detailed financial info and scrutinized.

[leilanidude]

The USPS is not doing new home delivery (either to your door or mailbox in front of your home) in any new subdivisions on the mainland. They are installing cluster boxes on streets or doing neighborhood mail centers.

[My 2 cents]

I'm glad I qualified my statement with "I could be wrong". Thanks for correcting. It doesn't surprise me, new era and all.

[T_W_Sand]

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Originally posted by My 2 cents

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Originally posted by ChuckFin

Save the environment
As I understand there are two interrelated issues—if the roads were paved to meet USPS standards, the USPS would provide regular home delivery in HPP similar to other communities such as Shores and Beaches. Since the roads are not paved, many residents are being forced to drive 10 miles round trip to Kea’au for General Delivery mail pick-up for between two-three years while waiting for one of the limited boxes on the street. It would be beneficial if the USPS could be convinced to provide an increases number of mail boxes at their expense in HPP, until the association paves the roads to meet USPS standards. We do need local mail service boxes or home delivery by one truck in order to reduce our carbon footprint and save the environment for all.

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I believe the issue with standard home delivery is private roads, not bumpy roads. I could be wrong.

Also, I think if the county were to take over ownership of the roads as I have been promoting, I think the USPS would be obligated to provide the same standard home delivery that everyone else gets. I could be wrong about this as well, but it's worth a ponder.

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The post office has already been delivering on private roads, every time they service the boxes in HPP. The conditions of many of the roads in HPP would certainly be an obstacle, but the bottom line is the USPS, in general, has not been approving these kind of route extentions for many decades years now.

[Katarina]

Once again Obie/Jo, you are changing the narrative. What you state is far from real events. Truth is a bad word to you. Where is the $100,000 that was allocated from the general fund specifically earmarked for mailboxes? Why hasn't the board built on this fund annually?Why did the board freeze out the finance committee which is a bylaw requirement?Why is just this particular GM not participating in the finance committee? And why can't the bookkeeper rearrange her schedule to spend 15 minutes with the finance committee like the previous one happily did? Where does it say anywhere in the bylaws that a special assessment can be forced on members for mailboxes? It can be found where the bylaws state exactly what an assessment can be used for and how and that it takes a membership vote. Now the board needs to spend more of our money to send out a letter to all HPPOA residents to cancel the illegal vote/assessment? And, has any board member learned any of the bylaws, researched or read past minutes before doing anything? If the board takes any mailbox assessment money, it will need to be returned. More wasted time and money. And, how is the GM enjoying that expensive truck that we did not need?

[EightFingers]

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Originally posted by My 2 cents

Who said anything about them "wanting" to?

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Any example of the county doing something they didn't want to do?
How was it done?

[My 2 cents]

"Any example of the county doing something they didn't want to do?"

Sure, Roger Christie comes to mind (malicious prosecution), and Damon Tucker (police brutality), and many other settlements made by the county for their wrongdoings.

"How was it done?"

Make a good case and take it to court.

[My 2 cents]

I should have said "be willing to take it to court", as most of these settlement agreements are reached before court. However, I would not expect the county to agree to take over the roads without a trial. Federal court.