Our Senator Hirono is Opposing Pruitt for EPA.

[Durian Fiend]

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Originally posted by Obie
I am all for clean air but this borders on ridiculous and should be stopped..

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Why should it be stopped?

The state of Hawaii has the goal of entirely eliminating fossil fuel use for electricity generation within the next 30 years, so this proposal is a modest step in a path consistent with local government plans.

[kalakoa]

The state of Hawaii has the goal of entirely eliminating fossil fuel use for electricity generation within the next 30 years

If the State legislature is dead of old age in 30 years, they won't care if their initiative fails.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

If the State legislature is dead of old age in 30 years, they won't care

Perhaps their fallback plan is to provide a first world, high quality education to the state's keiki, such that our grandchildren will be able to dig themselves out the deep hole, or lava crack, that we put them in.

Or, maybe the legislature's after-fallback plan is to ensure Hawaii sends a message of aloha to the world, that our state offers a friendly environment to educational institutions and businesses. If those entities wish to build low impact, minimally polluting industries such as astronomical observatories, and bring high paying jobs that accompany their operation with them, we welcome them with open arms. To give the grand-keiki a world filled with opportunity to help overcome any residual problems we left behind.

You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.

[Frank]

it's my understanding that Commercial aviation fuel (Jet A/A-1) contains sulfur at concentrations of 400-800 ppm, although there is significant variation. By contrast, US road transportation fuel is subject to an ultra-low sulfur fuel standard of 15 ppm, which is about 97% less than jet fuel. google this

Maybe over reach for the EPA to target Hawaii energy producers...

[Guest]

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Originally posted by leilanidude

The EPA has been out of control for a while. Look at that Colorado gold mine stream they fouled up last year as one of just many examples. They have had no real oversight for many years and have run rampant on rules and regulations, many times without considering the effect of those rules and regulations on the people they affect. That, in essence, is the new goal they are being given. Stop and consider before you implement new rules.

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There is no Constitutional authority for the Feds to involve themselves in Environmental Protection. Ergo, it is reserved for the States and the people as per the U.S. Constitutions. The new Secy's job is to oversea the dismantling of the EPA and restoration, in part of the Constitution. Ditto DOEnergy, DOEducation, and a few others. Back to basics, folks, back to the Constitution.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

The state of Hawaii has the goal of entirely eliminating fossil fuel use for electricity generation within the next 30 years

If the State legislature is dead of old age in 30 years, they won't care if their initiative fails.

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That leaves....NUCLEAR!! Another good choice, IMHO. Split those atoms, Mr. Neutron, split those Atoms.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

... dismantling of the EPA and restoration, in part of the Constitution. Ditto DOEnergy, DOEducation... Back to basics, folks, back to the Constitution.
NUCLEAR!! Another good choice, IMHO.

Nuclear power as a source of electricity in Hawaii?
I don't think either were in the Constitution, so I guess that's out.
Back to basics would however, allow for the reopening of the whaling village in Lahaina. Then we can buy hurricane lamps and burn us some blubber.

You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.

[Lodestone]

Only three problems with nuclear power in Hawaii:

1) Commercial nuclear reactors produce around 1000 MW of power. (Smaller reactors are technically feasible, but economically hopeless). The Big Island has no use for anywhere near that much power.

2) Nuclear reactors have strict constraints on geologic conditions for safe operation. The NRC is unlikely to approve plans to build one on an ACTIVE VOLCANO.

3) Considering that building an OBSERVATORY is considered highly controversial in Hawaii... yeah, good luck with that.

[Lodestone]

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Originally posted by Lopaka
Ditto DOEnergy, DOEducation, and a few others. Back to basics, folks, back to the Constitution.

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The DOE's primary mission is the testing, development, storage, safeguarding, and management of nuclear weapons. Do you really want the State of Hawaii (and the 49 others) handling that? [:0]

[Durian Fiend]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

... dismantling of the EPA and restoration, in part of the Constitution. Ditto DOEnergy, DOEducation... Back to basics, folks, back to the Constitution.
NUCLEAR!! Another good choice, IMHO.

Nuclear power as a source of electricity in Hawaii?
I don't think either were in the Constitution, so I guess that's out..

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Definitely out, as there would be no nuclear power plants in the US without the AEC's work, yet another agency that Mr. Lopaka would find had no constitutional basis for being created.