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Unfortuately it is very disturbing, but what's maybe more disturbing is not knowing about it and being totaly unprepared when the stuff hits the fan. With gas on its way to $4 per gallon and the Dow Jones dropping 200 yesterday due to fears about oil, it can be debated that we're starting down that other side of the bell curve. Conservation is key right now to delay it's effect. The US actually reached domestic Peak Oil in 1970, but we didn't know it until about 1976. Remember the first oil crisis? Our solution was to import more and more oil from other countries. Since 1970 the US has produced less oil every year than the year before. We won't know if we actually reached GLOBAL Peak Oil until years later looking in the rear view mirror. I read months ago that demand has actually passed supply. And we're not even accounting for what another Gulf Coast hurricane could do to our refining cabability. So this is what I meant by this could be a very important thread to make people aware and bring the community together. A close community is VERY important.
http://www.communitysolution.org/
Co-ops would be great for not only food, but perhaps to buy photovoltaics in bulk. The problem is solar and wind products are going to be in huge demand, much larger than the supply in the future. The supply is already low because Germany and Japan are buying solar panels like crazy. China is buying up not only oil, but resources such as steel and concrete. It is quite possible that it will be impossible to even buy solar and wind products in Hawaii in as little as 5 years. What people don't realize is that it takes a lot of oil to even produce alternative energy products. You have to use oil (diesel) to mine the resources, the silica, copper, aluminum, etc. Then it has to be delivered to the manufacturer by truck. Then it takes electricity usually created from natural gas or coal to manufacture the alternative energy products. Then it has to be shipped thousands of miles to Hawaii. So to make a long story short, the people preparing NOW will be in the best shape. Those who have a wait and see attitude may find themselves ... well you know. The 1976 oil crisis was nothing, we're headed into the last oil crisis. It's not a matter of if, but when.
Steve & Regina
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Steve & Regina
Hawaiian Acres / North Lake Tahoe
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quote:
ALOOOOOOOHA PAM! I just knew you were at it already! You sure are an early riser - it's only 7:30 am or so here in Arizona!
Hey - while I have your attention - I looked (honest - I used the search feature so don't be mad if there's already stuff on it here) for any info on raising your own fish! I mean - did I read here at one point that there are people who have pools on their property (like a swimming pool) that they actually raise fish for food?? That's a cool idea. I mean - how FRESH can it get? If you could have chicks for eggs and fish and veggies...(dang - I think I'm hungry - no breakfast yet hehehehe).
Anyway - anyone know anything about a fish farm in your yard??
Carrie
Carrie - Here is a free pdf book regarding backyard aquaculture in Hawaii:
http://nsgl.gso.uri.edu/hawau/hawauh89001.pdf
Steve & Regina
Tahoe/Hawaiian Acres
Steve & Regina
Hawaiian Acres / North Lake Tahoe
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Steve and Regina, thanks for the site for the backyard aqua culture. Very informative and incouraging. Do you know if hard copies are available, and where one might pick it up? Aloha and Mahalo neighbor!
mella l
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Also do a search on aquaponics. There is an email list where you can get a lot of good info and answers to specific questions.
This combines a fish tank as the nutrient source with 'hydroponic' plant beds to clean up the fish water. Thus you have a nearly closed loop system producing basil, veggies, etc. and fish. With no need to heat a greenhouse and lava rock instead of soil, this should be ideal in some areas in Hawaii, and feasible everywhere.
Allen
Baton Rouge, LA & HPP
Allen
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Aloha Mella:
That was published by UH, you may be able to get one here:
http://www.wcc.hawaii.edu/commsvcs/taro/publform.htm
We've actually been looking for books for over a year regarding aquaculture and most are out of print and published in the 80's.
Mother Earth or Home Power Magazine recently published an article about small scale aquaculture by Steven D. Vam Gorder. His book is on Amazon called 'Small Scale Aquaculture'.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967773...oding=UTF8
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Tahunatic - thank you so much for the info...we listened to quite a bit of the info on the google video site last night. I am so interested in finding out about solar energy...Tony's always been fascinated and puzzled as to why in the State of Arizona you see LITTLE TO NONE of this technology being used! It makes no sense - HOA's don't want unsightly solar panels in their neighborhoods and people just have an attitude that "it's too much trouble." Mayhaps it's more trouble than calling a power company to just turn it on...but I agree that we are in nefarious straits and need to act now!
As for the aquaculture - that just makes such great sense! If you have some room in your yard you could do it! Think of the barter system you could set up - screw the money thing! People in the same areas could set values for their products and barter for all kinds of food, art, handmade clothin, etc! The idea of an honest, fruitful way of communicating is so refreshing after living in New York State, Los Angeles and here in Arizona where everyone builds their walls and you don't even know them and THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE STREET TWO OVER IS CALLED!!
I will be a real detective with this information and learn as much as I can. Mahalo again to radioguy...ya got me goin'! Look Out! 
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Aloha folks!
I'd first heard about Peak Oil from Michael C. Ruppert's articles and videos.
Rense.com and whatreallyhappened.com sites, have posted a great deal of what looks to me like credible info, which contradicts the Peak Oil hypothesis.
I'm agnostic on this subject, but it looks like Peak Oil may not be accurate. We'll see.
Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, Great Palast <gregpalast.com>, has documented that BushCo. and the Saudi's have artificially driven up the price of oil.
He also has published two govt. papers showing that within weeks of the 2000 election, they were planning the invasion/occupation of Iraq and that one of their key goals was to RESTRICT the flow of oil, in order to drive up the price.
I heard him on internet radio and he documents this and more (the theft of both recent elections) in his new book, "Armed Madhouse".
He's got the facts and the documentation to back up his claims.
He also says the real oil war today is between Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.
Interesting stuff.
Here's a link to a radio interview with Mr. Palast, <http://www.radio4all.net/index.php?op=program-info&program_id=18396&nav=&>.
Anyway, just wanted to share this info.
Best to all!
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Well I have ordered my copy!! I don't know at this point if we will do this. We will be informed and if ever we put in a water feature/fancy name for pond! then it would definitely be a dual purpose water feature. Hey with all the rain it should be a snap with a little agitation in the water like a solar water pump to move zillions of gallons an hour! Oh dreams feed the imagination as we struggle to bring our pets to Hawaii.
mella l
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Carrie, Prince Kuhio mall had an farm/alt. energy show on Sat., we got a lot of info on both, but the most interesting is a new system that is a direct laminate solar panel onto a roofing panel. It is membrane technology, which so far seems to be a better system for the partly cloudys we get here, and the best part: if you are new const., or reroofing, the roof is an intergral part of your system for tax credits & no interest loans. (also is much harder to steal, solar theft is a problem that had closed the Girl Scout camp in Ka'u! They are now partly open with generators.) It is still mega bucks for the system, but the cost can be defrayed by the $$ saving on electric, and the credits & 0 interest loans, which are super for home & commercial businesses, but still help buy down the purchase price on residential applications .... Now we just need to get the plans drawn up for our solar lanai...
Aloha, Carey
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