More on Homeless Native Hawaiians

[Guest]

Obie one.

Yes, we had got onto the relocation list several years before being offered a low ball buyout by our county. The county offered us much less than our house and property was worth or we had into it, with no relocation expenses added to the buyout offer. The county and PGV has done a good job keeping the value of nearby homes to PGV low so they could buy them at there lowest value possible.

Where in Hawaii can one move and buy a home from Puna if they were to except the county's low ball relocating offer? Not Maui, Oahu, Kauai, Kona, or Waimea.

If the PGV was located in Kona where most of it's produced electricity ends up going would the relocation fund have more money in it by now? NO, the % is the same.

Would the relocation buyout offers from the county be higher if the PGV was instead located in Kona? Yes, as the value of Kona property and homes are higher than lower Puna's.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The county and PGV has done a good job keeping the value of nearby homes to PGV low

Not to mention some residents who have made such a ruckus complaining about the air quality and the noise that it no doubt lowered demand for homes, which in turned reduced prices.

[leilanidude]

"Rich people" who move here from anywhere and build a large house are not displacing poor people, who couldn't afford that large house to begin with. They are employing lots of people from plumbers, carpenters, electricians, flooring specialists, roofers.... and they pay a lot more in property taxes than those here who end up paying the minimum property tax of $100.

[geochem]

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Originally posted by gypsy69

Obie one.

Yes, we had got onto the relocation list several years before being offered a low ball buyout by our county. The county offered us much less than our house and property was worth or we had into it, with no relocation expenses added to the buyout offer.

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Now, creative financing from Mr. Gyp - the county offer is set at 130% of the appraised value of the home. What did you want, 200%?, 300%?, or 3000% of the appraised value? Talk about trying to milk the system... I guess it's okay that the mitigation fund doesn't benefit the community.... as long as it benefits you personally...

ETA: Nice hijack Mr. Gyp... and yes, we do know that it's all about you (and geothermal).

[Wailua Boy]

Haha. That sounds like Charley Young Beach. I've heard some other people report similar stories.

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

nuisance, littering, having drunken night-time parties on the beach and generally intruding on the landowner.

I had a customer on Maui who built her dream home in Kihei on the mauka side of a public access beach. The young folks would drink and smoke and party all night long and she could live with that, but often when couples became frisky they would make their way off the sandy beach and onto her soft, manicured lawn. When they got rollin' they'd set off a bank of motion detector lights, waking her up, and worried about burglars she'd look out the window only to see the Maui version of Live Cinemax.

From dream to nightmare. She finally had to sell the property.

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[Guest]

Geochem

I am surprised you did not know this but The county relocation offer was not the standard 130% of the appraised value anymore. The new offers from the county was set at 100% of your "2014" tax assessed value which was much less than our 2016 appraised value. The 2014 tax assessed value was just after the Hurricane and Lava flow threats. In our minds We were being offered "half" of what we should have been offered to relocate, That is hardly milking the system.

Simple questions here Geochem.

If your home and properties appraised value at 130% equaled $260,000, would you except a county offer of $130,000?
How many folks out of the 30 homes recently offered the counties relocation deal took the deal?
How many resigned back onto the relocation list? This was the other option given if you did not except their one time offer with NO negotiations.

To your credit Geochem, We were led to believe when we signed onto the relocation list that the county offer would be at 130% of our appraised value of our home. We never heard anything for years from the county that stated other wise until we got our one time relocation offer of much less. They may have had a closed door meeting on the important changes and the many folks who were on the relocation list were not invited to share their input. jmo's

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

the county has designated 25 homes for purchase, at a tentative total cost of $5,437,649

Which is an average cost of $217,506 per home.
Not $130,000.

[randomq]

HotPE, is that how *averages* work now? Also, don't forget to account for county overhead. Probably sine full time jobs administering that fund, the buyout, and resale...

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

HotPE, is that how *averages* work now

Not necessarily, I just used simple division. Here's a better set of numbers to work from (HTH 9/7/16):

*The average purchase price is $200,998.
*As of August, the relocation fund had $1.7 million remaining, including $1 million in reserve, Gamiao-Kunkel said.
*The county purchased 12 homes since 2012, with another 25 withdrawing their application or not responding to the county’s offer,
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/loc...nding-down

[pbmaise]

The nape hut is made from bamboo and a thatched roof from the nape palm. It has an open slat floor, no running water and no kitchen. Most are one room. They are incredibly beautiful, clean, and exactly what the song was talking about when lamenting they want to go back to their little grass shack. When not aboard my sailboat,I live in on shore. The total cost to build was about $500 USD. This is rather on the high end of cost because my husband and I hired Carpenters and used quality frame materials. No they will not withstand a typhoon. They last about five years if built correctly. A new roof costs about $50.