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What bugs me about this is the idea that your culture or religious doctrine somehow grants you rights over other people. This is America now, we are all equal. Believe (or pretend to believe) what you want, but stop using that as a reason why you should get your way.
My personal belief is you're pretty stupid if you worship pigs. There's only one diety deserving of worship, and that's the flying spaghetti monster.
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the idea that your culture or religious doctrine somehow grants you rights over other people
Along with the idea that there is some point in time where everything was perfect, and by declaring that "sacred" we can force all change to stop so that the world will remain in that one perfect moment forever.
It doesn't work that way.
This is America
America has private property and personal rights. Anyone who wants to worship pigs is free to buy some land, fence it in, and keep pigs on it -- the keeping of livestock is a permitted agricultural use, after all.
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Anyone who wants to worship pigs is free...
Don't forget to file the non-profit incorporation papers for your field of worship.
(It's) what the existentialists called "awful freedom" the reinvention of irrationality by marginalized people, just in order to spite science. -Elif Batuman
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"Why should it be expected of those wanting to preserve a unique Hawaiian culture that the preserved culture be that of ancient Hawaii"
This emphasis is usually placed by those demanding a "unique" lifestyle to exclude others and get out of commitments and obligations of belonging to modern society.
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get out of commitments and obligations
Selectively -- such as when driving a car with Kingdom plates down to the Walmart, and buying American beer with US currency.
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So much agreement....it would be a brave dissenter to speak up.....seems we only have one persistent nonconformist: Gypsy.
Where would we be without Gypsy to give us fodder for conversation (and sometimes outrage)?
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Where's the kingdom DMV anyway?
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one persistent nonconformist: Gypsy.
Nonconformist? Or alternative fact generator?
Wheres the Kingdom DMV anyway?
I spoke with someone who showed me his Kingdom Drivers License. I think he said he got it on Mamo Street. $50 if I remember correctly. Not sure if they have Kingdom license plates too.
(It's) what the existentialists called "awful freedom" the reinvention of irrationality by marginalized people, just in order to spite science. -Elif Batuman
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I thought "sacred animals" were supposed to be spared, like how the Hindus treat cows.
Here is a good article about pigs in the Hawaiian islands. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but it suggests that the original pigs brought here by Polynesians were small animals that were kept more like dogs- either confined or allowed limited range to roam. Westerners later brought larger European and Asian pigs that interbred with and eventually displaced the original Polynesian pigs, escaped, and became the feral pigs that cause problems on the islands now. The article also suggests that "ancient" Hawaiians never hunted pigs. In other words, pig hunting is just as "Hawaiian" as a McDonalds drive-through.
http://www.eastmauiwatershed.org/wp-cont...-04.03.pdf
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I thought the McDonald's drive-though was literally pig-hunting, specifically when McRib is available.
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