Jones act hurting Puerto Rico?

[leilanidude]

leilanidude today:
There are are over 9500 containers already on the docks
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Those were already there when the storm hit. Stop being a donkey.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Thousands of cargo containers bearing millions of emergency meals and other relief supplies have been piling up on San Juan’s docks since Saturday.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...n-san-juan

Most of the containers discussed were not there from before the storm, as they contain specially packed relief supplies. Nor was the port so damaged that port authorities were unable to unload containers as you stated yesterday, because they have been unloading ships at least since Saturday (see above), both statements you brayed. Made.

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

[Eric1600]

HOTPE -- Remember Sartre

...he is impervious to reason and to experience, it is not because his conviction is strong. Rather his conviction is strong because he has chosen first of all to be impervious.

[leilanidude]

Most of the containers discussed were not there from before the storm, as they contain specially packed relief supplies.
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So it seems that the suspension of the Jones Act isn't really important after all, since relief supplies are already there and continuing to arrive?

[kalakoa]

suspension of the Jones Act isn't really important after all

Short-term, no; relief agencies have plenty of "free money" to pay their "Jones tax".

Long-term, it will make reconstruction costs (paid for by the residents) more expensive.

[glinda]

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Originally posted by leilanidude

So it seems that the suspension of the Jones Act isn't really important after all, since relief supplies are already there and continuing to arrive?

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What? Are you a Republican Parrot? It seems more and more that as the Alt Right news sites make some observation you repeat it here.

The Jones Act doesn't need to be suspended. It needs to be abolished. Once and for all, get corporate welfare out of our lives. But no, that's not the Republican mantra. For idiots that hold up the Republican illusion of less government while actually meaning corporate rape and pillage of the US economy for their own selfish greed, the Jones Act is a glowing example of their forked tongue BS.

So tell us 'dude, why does the Jones Act not need to be suspended? What is it about relaxing excessive taxes and limiting aid that makes sense to you? We're not just talking about getting emergency relief in the first days of a crisis, we're taking about rebuilding an island. So, how does your logic apply here?

[leilanidude]

The Jones Act doesn't need to be suspended. It needs to be abolished.
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I completely agree. We do not need to continue to prop up overpaid union dockworkers to unload a ship, then load it onto another to then go on to Hawaii or Puerto Rico.

However, suspending it in this particular case, did nothing to actually help the situation and it wouldn't even if the suspension had been immediately granted by DHS (who owns the policy on this). It was simply grandstanding. It may sound fantastic to you to try and claim that "Trump did nothing to help" (untrue BTW). There were no "foreign-owned" vessels loaded with emergency supplies, already in the process of going "somewhere" like Puerto Rico.

[leilanidude]

Short-term, no; relief agencies have plenty of "free money" to pay their "Jones tax".
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This seems to assume/imply that all relief supplies come from foreign countries and not from the US to begin with.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate...
If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent

I see what you mean Eric1600. Even when the flaws and deficiencies in their arguments are brought to light, they treat their own words as meaningless, worthless, and make no attempt to support what they've stated. Instead, they shift the discussion elsewhere. They hope we follow along their endless trail, and forget the previous string of unsubstantiated and erroneous comments they've tossed like smoke bombs into the conversation.

When faced with Sartre, and Existentialism, however, which reveals the methods they employ, they have no response other than the silence of the culpable.

The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?

[kalakoa]

get corporate welfare out of our lives

Generally, yes. Start with full transparency so the "average voter" can understand where their tax money is going.

all relief supplies come from foreign countries and not from the US

No, merely that "emergency funding from donations" doesn't affect the delivered product cost, unlike when the "Jones Tax" is passed along to your Walmart purchases.