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2014-2015 -- 56% of Big Island Coral Died
#81
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Originally posted by Kapoho Joe

The Earth is sick and humanity is the virus. The host has developed a fever that will get higher and higher until the parasite dies.
Yep, but as so often happens with tenacious organisms they get beat back, but not totally destroyed, and live again practically undetected until their numbers become so great that they are hard to miss. Again and again.

At this point with folks in general being unable to confront and talk rationally about it one does wonder if we have to hit the wall rather than use our knowledge to temper the crash. Paul is right, science is our savior, but only if we embrace it. And, as it is today nobody is willing to, at least not more that to pay it lip service. Certainly the Paris Accord is nowhere near enough to address what science says is coming our way. But we can't even agree to that. What with the elephant in the room preaching #FakeNews! as its excuse to continue with its rape and pillaging of the Earth, we very well may go splat against that wall.

And still some of us would like to see a future in which our children and theirs do not need to suffer as some predict is the fate of those that follow us. We'd rather take responsibility and temper ourselves so as to set in motion a path to better days. In other words buy the time so that Paul's god can save us. But with the current political climate of hate and bigotry dominating the discussion there's nothing one can hope for except the worst that science suggests is coming our way. At least as long as there is over 100 million people (conservative estimate of the amount of folks that believe in Trump) who still deny that we even have a problem.
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#82
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Originally posted by TomK

Thank you, Eric, for keeping this factual and not... the minutia of sunscreen lotions...
Considering how important I believe this information is, and how even people that represent themselves as scientists dis the fact that many brands of sunscreen are extremely harmful to the environment, and that WHT is a subscription based site, I am taking the liberty to post the entire article (below) from todays edition..

From: http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/news/loca...decimation

Scientist says chemicals create ‘zombie’ coral, add to reef decimation

Craig Downs says the science is in — and many types of commonly sold sunscreens are a direct threat to Hawaii’s coral reefs.

Downs, a Ph.D. and executive director of Haereticus Environmental Laboratory, gave a presentation on the topic Tuesday night at the Natural Energy Laboratory of Hawaii Authority Gateway Center at the request of Rep. Nicole Lowen — Kailua-Kona, Holualoa, Kalaoa and Honokohau.

He referenced the sunscreen sheen, or the slicks on top of ocean water, after several hundred or thousand people have entered a bay.

“That is equivalent to an oil spill, and that’s how we forensically deal with sunscreen pollution,” Downs said. “As an oil spill.”

The chemicals in sunscreen with which Downs and his team are particularly concerned are oxybenzone and octinoxate, which are commonly found in most sunscreens sold across the world, including Hawaii, often representing around 5 or 6 percent of the overall product content.

Most of his local research has been conducted on Maui, but Downs said his findings in Hawaii have been similar to those discovered in studies he’s conducted across the globe. He added that studies done by other countries from the Middle East to Europe to China have produced essentially the same results.

The conclusion, he explained, is that these chemicals are toxic to corals in several ways. First, oxybenzone acts as an estrogen endocrine disruptor, he said.

The result is what Downs referred to as zombie corals. In some areas, the corals aren’t producing reproductive tissue. Other times, the sex ratios of females to males change substantially, with many more females than males.

All this leads to high death rates, low recruitment rates and “gives rise to the wasteland” of decimated coral being observed worldwide.

“You can look at a coral reef and see nice coral, but they’re sterile. They’re not reproducing. There’s no babies,” he said. “So that reef that you’re looking at, in 10 years time, it’s dead. It’s not going to be there.”

Downs said impacts are registered at as low as 62 parts per trillion (ppt). Downs and his researchers have noted levels several factors higher than that 62 ppt floor — in the hundreds and thousands and even tens of thousands ppt — in several pockets of water off Maui, as well as at Hanauma Bay off Oahu.

There is also evidence linking sunscreen pollution to coral bleaching, Downs said. Corals bleach at a little above 30 degrees Celsius. In Hawaii, Downs has seen bleaching at 26.8 degrees Celsius where sunscreen chemical levels are high.

Downs explained that bleaching isn’t actually a bad thing — on occasion. He equated it to a forest fire, which at distant intervals is beneficial, as it clears out big trees and creates meadows that produce high biological diversity. Bleaching can produce the same effect in the oceans when it happens intermittently.

The problem, he said, is that corals aren’t coming back. He attributes this, at least in significant part, to the presence of oxybenzone and octinoxate, which are sourced primarily back to sunscreen pollution and raw sewage pollution.

The chemicals have also been detected in beach sand and in fish being served in restaurants. Downs said considering the chemicals act as estrogen endocrine disruptors and have also proven to be powerful herbicides, the implications are disconcerting.

The solution, Downs added, is layered — no pun intended. He said wearing sun clothes can reduce sunscreen pollution by half.

Beyond that, if states or the federal government begin to pass legislation banning certain chemicals, companies who produce sunscreens will change their ingredients. But they need the incentive.

Several members of the Hawaii State Legislature tried to provide it this year by introducing bills that would have regulated the multi-billion dollar industry, including banning the sale of certain polluting sunscreens in Hawaii.

Lowen was one. Sen. Will Espero — Ewa Beach, Ewa by Gentry, Iroquois Point, and a portion of Ewa Villages — was another. Espero’s bill that made it the farthest, but it died in Conference Committee.

Lowen speculated that was because when some legislators heard the bill read, it was the first time they’d heard of the issue. Opponents of the legislation gave testimony stating there isn’t not enough science yet, and thus lawmakers shouldn’t hastily overreact.

Lowen disagrees but said she understands the thinking.

“I think (legislators) want to feel comfortable that they’ve gotten to the bottom of what the truth is,” she said.

She added she’s hopeful the legislation will pass this session, and if not in 2018, then soon after.

“I think we really need it,” Lowen said.

And, again, please, to do your part is simple, do not buy products that contain these toxic chemicals. A list of eco-friendly sunscreens is here:

https://bantoxicsunscreens.com/2017/08/0...een-guide/
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#83
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...unscreen1/

It's not as settled as claimed. I'm all for banning products detrimental to whatever, but only if there is enough evidence.

By the way, copying whole articles from publications could lead to lawsuits against this site.

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#84
I've been diving in Maui and the Big Island for a few years now. Last year, the bleaching in late summer was shocking out at Molokini, in Maui. The Kona side had less bleaching and I observed relatively little bleaching around Hilo. I attributed that to the large amount of fresh groundwater that cools that area.

However, this summer I have not noticed any bleaching at the sites I have dove, including Molokini.
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#85
Here is the study that involves Hawaii: Toxicopathological Effects of the Sunscreen UV Filter, Oxybenzone (Benzophenone-3), on Coral Planulae and Cultured Primary Cells and Its Environmental Contamination in Hawaii and the U.S. Virgin Islands (published in Archives of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology).

The conclusions drawn from the study are not supported by the evidence reported in the study.

The study concluded oxybenzone was toxic to planulae and cultured cells in artificial seawater when exposed to high concentrations of oxybenzone. The planulae were collected from waters near Israel, and the cultured cells came from a variety of private companies as well as a research laboratory in the Florida Keys. None of the planulae or cultured cells were collected from Hawaiian corals. This study is what is called an in vitro (in glass) study rather than in vivo (in organism). The study did not look at the affect of oxybenzone in corals found in Hawaiian waters, however the study did report some cursory data on the concentrations of oxybenzone found in Maunalua Bay on Oahu and Kapalua Bay and Kahekili Beach Park on Maui. All of the oxybenzone concentrations recorded from these locations in Hawaii were several orders of magnitude beneath the studies own regression estimates for LC50 (concentration expected to cause death in 50 % of the population).

There is no doubt that at high concentrations, in artificial seawater, in aquarium tanks oxybenzone negatively affects coral growth and development - as reported in this study, however, that finding has no relevance to corals in Hawaiian waters.

Is this (oxybenzone based sunscreens) what is killing our reefs? If we stop wearing oxybenzone based sunscreen will we see a reduction in reef die-offs in Hawaiian waters?

There is absolutely no data published anywhere to suggest that we should stop wearing oxybenzone based sunscreen because of some [imagined] benefit to the reefs.

There are many threats to reef die offs such as climate change, overfishing and pollution. We should be looking at real solutions which might make a meaningful difference instead of using oxybenzone based sunscreens as a scapegoat and going home at the end of the day feeling proud of ourselves.
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#86
Thanks for your post, rainyjim (and Tom.Yost). It's become obvious over the last few years that climate change is by far and away the major influence on coral reef destruction (as well as over-fishing). Although banning some sunscreens might have an effect, sunscreens are a minute part of the problem, shown by the fact that corals are bleaching and dying in areas hundreds and thousands of miles away from people enjoying the ocean.

"Scientists warn US coral reefs are on course to disappear within decades"

"New Noaa research shows that strict conservation measures in Hawaii have not spared corals from a warming ocean in one of its most prized bays"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/...ate-change

https://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellit...status.php
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#87
One outcome here appears to be that that coral will migrate north (or south) to cooler waters. Below link has an interesting diagram of the Barrier Reef. But for the lower part of the Hawaiian archipelago, things don't look good (unless increased rainfall in the main islands would offset ocean warming.)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/gre...-bleaching

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#88
Or we need to wait for warm-water corals from Palmyra and southern Polynesia to get here. Swimming in those waters is already like being in a bathtub compared to the cold water around Hawaii, so the corals should be adapted to it. Of course the coral there is going to be doomed where it is because there aren't any places where it's warmer than that.
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#89
With growth rates of 0.3 to 2 centimeters per year for massive corals, and up to 10 centimeters per year for branching corals, it can take up to 10,000 years for a coral reef to form from a group of larvae
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#90
The use of injection wells, being used to process waste water for the majority of state has taken a major toll on our reefs and has been well documented.
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