Rep. Gabbord OFF Fossil Fuel Act by 2035

[Durian Fiend]

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Originally posted by Eric1600

The surface area of a car is very small, so that argument is an odd one to make.

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Indeed. For a 5KW solar powered home utilizing 20 250W panels, it's estimated that 10 more panels would need to be added in order to power a Tesla car for an average of 25 miles per day. This would be in California, I believe.

[Frank]

bump to op topic - cosponsor Tulsi's climate change bill...

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-rel...ansition-0

http://aloha.votetulsi.com/page/s/off-ac...ce=website

[leilanidude]

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Originally posted by SBH

According to the census there are just over 500,000 housing units in the entire state.

$10 Billion (Rail) divided by 500,000 homes is $20,000 for every home in the state that could be used for solar.

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A large portion of those housing units are in dense, high-rise condo buildings, which can't be effectively used to power themselves with solar.

What about all those batteries? Lead mining is rather nasty to the environment.

[terracore]

"Lead mining is rather nasty to the environment."

So is producing solar panels: https://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/sol...-you-think

[Eric1600]

Come on guys, you're not even trying to be proper curmudgeons. You have to put these things into perspective, just like with surface area of a car and recharging them.

This encourages recycling of old batteries instead of abandonment or disposal with household waste. In the United States, about 99% of lead from used batteries is reclaimed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_re..._batteries

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While there are no global warming emissions associated with generating electricity from solar energy, there are emissions associated with other stages of the solar life-cycle, including manufacturing, materials transportation, installation, maintenance, and decommissioning and dismantlement. Most estimates of life-cycle emissions for photovoltaic systems are between 0.07 and 0.18 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent per kilowatt-hour.

Most estimates for concentrating solar power range from 0.08 to 0.2 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent per kilowatt-hour. In both cases, this is far less than the lifecycle emission rates for natural gas (0.6-2 lbs of CO2E/kWh) and coal (1.4-3.6 lbs of CO2E/kWh) [6].

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/our-e...hj8KxZujQo

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

While there are no global warming emissions associated with generating electricity

And if manufacturing solar products creates hazardous byproducts, they can be contained locally in the area where they're mined or manufactured.

Burning fuel oil, and especially coal for electricity releases toxins and heavy metals into the air to fall on land and across oceans. Where do you think all the mercury in fish comes from? It's not their dental fillings, it's from coal emissions falling into the ocean.

“Facts fall from the poetic observer as ripe seeds.” -Henry Thoreau

[Guest]

And do we NEED a 'Tesla' ? and all that power ? nope.

Ride your bikes people. Start there.

" But I live in .... "

If you coming to Hilo, park car at big KTA and do all your town errands on a bike then drive home.

Flame away now you regulars.

[punaticbychoice]

Flame away yourself, pog, airportparking, RWR.
Have a nice day.

[Durian Fiend]

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Originally posted by RWR

And do we NEED a 'Tesla' ? and all that power ? nope.

Ride your bikes people. Start there.

" But I live in .... "

If you coming to Hilo, park car at big KTA..

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Well then, you need a car. Hilo's not exactly a bike friendly town to get around in, unfortunately.

HereOnThePrimalEdge: Thumbs up!

[kalakoa]

if manufacturing solar products creates hazardous byproducts, they can be contained locally

...or just dumped in the river, lack of regulations is how you get "cheap" panels.

Hilo's not exactly a bike friendly town to get around in

Friendlier than "getting to Hilo" in the first place...