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Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters
#61
The affinity for chickens, "show" or otherwise... seems to impact the feral chickens roaming everywhere business.

Show birds would be an insignificant part of the chickens gone wild problem. Most are expensive and can easily cost hundreds of dollars. Few people would intentionally turn them loose. Most feral chickens probably originate from egg laying birds as they're a dime a dozen.

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#62
"Show birds would be an insignificant part of the chickens gone wild problem."

It is not the show birds, it is the attitude that accompanies--the view that chickens are somewhat like cats: Beloved animals.

It is much frowned upon to kill feral cats (except land managers authorized to cull them). There is growing sentiment that feral chickens should freely roam, without being killed by mean people.

(Unless you intend to eat them. Big distinction between killing an animal for food and killing one because you think it is a pest. Ask any animal rights activist.)
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#63
In accordance with Hawaii County Code §4-24 and 4-25, when the
dog is actively barking and exceeding the time limits, report the
incident to the police non emergency number, 935-3311. Be prepared
to present documentation of notification and to give a statement for
court purposes.
Fines for keeping a noisy dog are $25 for the first offense, $75 for the
second, $100 for the third, and $200 for any subsequent violation(s).
(Unless you intend to eat them?)

This is about rude people who are about making money at the expense of their neighbors. It's not about farming, or phony zoning.

You can have all the roosters you want if noise at my property line is not audible, if it is you are taking quality of life from me, which is a form of theft. Like any other theft it should be against the law. Calling yourself a farmer does not give you the right to come on my property and pick my oranges, how is noise different?
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#64
Calling yourself a farmer does not give you the right to come on my property and pick my oranges, how is noise different?"

I am sympathetic, but noise is different. Noise abatement is a problem in cities and in rural areas.

Roosters are a particular problem because the animal right activists and some of their allies now think its cool to have the birds roaming everywhere. (If there are loud feral roosters all over the place then the matter of people keeping them becomes less acute.)

It is somewhat similar to the rhetoric we heard from that guy in lower Puna some years back who loudly insisted that everyone get along with the coqui frogs.
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#65
DEPARTMENT OF LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES
Q&A re Feral Chickens


The Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) considers feral chickens as free-ranging domestic chickens. Free ranging domestic chickens do not fall under jurisdiction of the DLNR.
1) Can I trap free-ranging domestic chickens live on my property with consent of my landlord?
Yes, you may take free-ranging domestic chickens as long you have the landowner’s permission. You do, however need to abide by other county/state laws pertaining to animal cruelty and other laws not under DLNR jurisdiction

2) Can I release them someplace else?
No, free-ranging domestic chickens should not be released back into the wild. By doing so would only create problems elsewhere. Nuisance chickens should be euthanized and disposed of properly.

3) Can you shoot the wild chickens?
We do not recommend shooting chickens in residential areas due to liability issues. In agricultural areas, you may use a pellet gun or small caliber or shotgun. A DLNR permit is not required for trapping or shooting free-ranging domestic chickens. Please review your local county laws on the use of firearms in certain areas.
4) Can someone lay claim that the wandering local chickens are theirs?
Free-ranging domestic chickens are not protected birds. DLNR laws and rules do not apply to free-ranging domestic chickens.
5) Is there not some requirement to keep their claimed chickens on their property?

DLNR laws and rules do not apply to free-ranging domestic chickens.
6) Can a purchased (not wild) chicken be allowed to run loose off his property on to mine? Is there not some legal responsibility for a chicken owner to maintain is chicken on his property?
Please check with your local County government or Hawaii Department of Agriculture for rules regarding poultry farming. You may also check with your local county for laws regarding pets and property.
7) What about when they are supposedly on state land? Would we just ignore them unless their numbers started to become a problem to native resources?
A: DOFAW would control wild chickens on state lands if they are presenting a problem for native resources - such as a problem in wildlife sanctuaries, etc.
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#66
Fines for keeping a noisy dog are $25 for the first offense ...

Show me someone in Puna who was actually cited for this.

you are taking quality of life from me, which is a form of theft

How is this different than unpaved roads, lack of police/fire response, etc?

There is growing sentiment that feral chickens should freely roam

...in which case they're wildlife, and therefore "managed" by State DOFAW, not under jurisdiction of County?
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#67
DOFAW would control wild chickens on state lands

I note that the Keaau transfer station is State-owned land. (Why the County "needs" to lease land from the State is a separate question.)
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#68
Thanks for the DLNR info, Obie. I like to observe that in some instances there is a legality and a reality. You printed the legality.

Reality is that there is growing community tolerance and even liking for the birds. This can translate into complaints and quarrels when people kill feral chickens as pests on public streets or areas that are open to public view.
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#69
You printed the legality.

Note how many times DLNR says "ask the County"....
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#70
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Originally posted by BillyB


You can have all the roosters you want if noise at my property line is not audible, if it is you are taking quality of life from me, which is a form of theft. Like any other theft it should be against the law. Calling yourself a farmer does not give you the right to come on my property and pick my oranges, how is noise different?


BillyB,
are you only referring to noise from animals, or are you referring to any and all noise?

If you are referring to all noise not being audible at the property line, I don't think you have thought things through.

Chainsaws, weed whackers, mowers...are those acceptable noises to you? What if your neighbor needs to run a generator on occasion if there hasn't been enough sun for their solar array system?

Sorry for veering this off topic, just curious.

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