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I only had an issue really with a couple of the Rooster People who were a bit racist or the lady that wanted to solve her problems by fighting. However I don't have sympathy for people who might loose their "way of life" of cock fights (aka. Rooster Shows). I don't even mind the chickens, really. The legislation should really focus on enforcing animal cruelty laws. I was prepared to say so, but it was just a shouting match until our representative left.

It was my first meeting, so I don't know what others are like. I thought the guy in the blue shirt with the big belly and the grey beard who shouted out "I have nothing to say" was the GM. But I don't know. There were no introductions made and it appeared like no district Representatives where there.
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The District Reps all got up from the table when they realized the Membership wasn’t going to let them dictate the agenda, or Chair a Membership Meeting again. They really were not needed. (I’m starting to wonder if they ever are)

The GM was not there.

Your description fits the newly re appointed (by the Majority BOD) BOD President, who’s wife was just hired to work in the Office, prompting the conflict of interest discussions.
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IMO, It must be hard to have your way of life threatened by more and more legislation.

Does anyone know when cock fighting was first outlawed in Hawaii? If it was before the Rooster People bought their lots, they can't really blame the people who complain about their activities.

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"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Personally, I abhor seeing any animal mistreated.
Still, I have to wonder why people assume that everyone who raises Roosters fights them? How do we know they don’t “Show” them?

Is the proposed Legislation attempting to end cock fighting or just raising multiple Roosters on 1 acre parcels?
I believe it is the latter.

I have been here nearly 40 years and have never seen or heard a cock fight, so I can’t really “complain about their activities”.

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Federal cockfighting prohibition dates back to 1976. Hawaii is one of 10 states where the activity is not a felony.

Requirement is "75-feet from any lot line", thereby making it impossible in most subdivisions unless someone owns enough contiguous lots (and files for consolidation thereof).

Again: there's perfectly good "Ag-lite" zoning types that already have these restrictions. No need to reinvent the wheel.
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It was my first meeting, so I don't know what others are like. I thought the guy in the blue shirt with the big belly and the grey beard who shouted out "I have nothing to say" was the GM. But I don't know. There were no introductions made and it appeared like no district Representatives where there.

Eric1600 thanks for attending the meeting yesterday. It was a long meeting and I applaud all of you that stuck it out. In thanks to those that did, the Bylaw Committee got all the proposed bylaw amendments approved to go to ballot. The board and office staff are actively trying to shoot the whole shebang down. This is absolutely NO SURPRISE. We knew it'd be coming.

The GM was not at the meeting. The guy w/the navy blue shirt was the newly elected board president, who was board president before. Under his past "leadership": road material $ was diverted to chip seal; chip seal roads are failing; huge potholes became prevalent in HPP; he signed a document giving the GM absolute authority to hire/fire and sign contracts, all of which is the board's responsibilities. And it's his spouse that works in the HPP office. She was working at the meeting yesterday.

As for the sound system, the controls were in a locked room and the mixer was not functioning. The whole system wasn't set up properly and tested before the meeting.

The people who hung around for the Rooster portion of the agenda were VERY VERY VERY patient. Interestingly, because they were there, they learned about the dysfunction going on with the board and management that they had no clue about. They voted for a lot of the bylaw amendment proposals.

Most of the votes were yea in the 80-97 range, no's were in the under 15 range. Those numbers maintained throughout the whole Bylaw Committee presentation voting... those numbers were a FIRST for me in all the years I've been attending membership meetings. Some people left around 5 but amazingly most people hung in there.

Process of bylaw amendment proposals that will be a new or amended bylaw: At least 600 ballot votes returned w/an affirmative 2/3 (400), once counted by the League of Women Voters (it's in the approved motion), are automatically effective. The recall petition signature number for the process to remove one's director on the board are proposed to be changed from 200 to 100. This should help make it easier to get the process moving to remove your director. The proposed bylaw amendment for conflict of interest has more teeth in it w/clearer description and enforcement measures which is lacking currently. This will make it more difficult for anyone to skirt around defining what a conflict of interest is, or write illegal conflict of interest policies as they've done under Crelly's watch in 2016.

A new bylaw was created for forensic analysis to get the first one initiated and contracted w/in 90 days upon at least 600 ballot votes returned w/an affirmative 2/3 (400) If it becomes a new bylaw, then at any membership meeting in the future, the membership can vote for a forensic analysis when they feel they need one. The new bylaw also states the Finance Committee will have oversight of the whole process. The motion was tightly sewn to hopefully leave no wiggle room to do anything other than what the directives are in the motion in getting the forensic analysis started and completed. The forensic analyst will have freedom to go where the analysis takes her/him.

There was a proposal to approve the Bylaw Committee to work on the bylaws to align with professional management IF we get a 2/3's vote of at least 600 votes returned (400). The Bylaw Committee was tasked to amend the current bylaws so they needed permission from the membership to amend the original task they were given. There is a bylaw that cracks the door open to professional management and what the Bylaw Committee did was open that door wide open. Now the BLC needs to start putting things in place once the membership approves it. The membership will always be involved every step of the way, getting updates and there will be future ballots down the road.

Another item voted on was to approve that a Professional Management Research Committee be formed yesterday, to start researching professional management for HPP. Ten people signed up. One person is from the Finance Committee and one from the Bylaw Committee.

The tide has turned FINALLY. People are getting it! They want positive change. During owner input there were many dissatisfied people with their road conditions, the chip seal condition, the outrage of the conflict of interest w/board rep and employee was passionately expressed...

Part of the Bylaw Presentation was informing members of the deed restriction of the 20 acre lots and discussing the repercussions if the board mailbox committee violates it. A membership mailbox committee was formed yesterday. One of them mentioned starting on researching the deed restrictions to see if there is a way to change it. This is a good start.

The former president L Laucik and former Dist 3 rep K Shaw both did a great job chairing the meeting. It's in our bylaws, the president presides over the membership meetings and only chairs "as needed". So it was w/in our rights to choose another person to chair.

The Bylaw Committee submitted a request to do a presentation well over a week ago with the former secretary D Roe Dist 9. When the agenda was posted and reworked by new board secretary, Dist 6 rep P Murdoch, he removed the Bylaw Committee presentation. Why would he do that? This is one of the reasons the agenda was amended. The board secretary is supposed to actively seek agenda items from the membership. The agenda looked like a board meeting agenda.

Thanks again for all those that attended the membership meeting and stayed to take care of very important business.
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Best general membership meeting I've been to.

Mermaid thanks for your presentation, I assume that was you, and to the rest of the bylaw committee. That was a lot of work you guys put together. Sometimes it was hard to follow when the guy came on after you. Way too long could've been more concise, less words I think. I did stay to vote and it was the only reason I hung around that long. Please keep future presentations under one hour.

Most everyone was well behaved until the rooster topic came up. It's a hot and passionate topic so not a surprise. Yes, the people waiting for this to come up were as mermaid said very patient. A+ for patience. Kudos to them.
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deed restriction of the 20 acre lots and discussing the repercussions if the board mailbox committee violates it

I've long wondered: why not just build a park that happens to include mailboxes? Similar to the "front yard" lot at Seaview.
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What impressed me was most people stayed in spite of the poor sound, hard chairs, constant chit chat, hard to see visuals and listen to all the details of a long presentation.
People won’t do that unless they consider it important to them.
Is the board listening?

Puna: Our roosters crow first
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I certainly got the impression that board was declared unfit and was bypassed by the members. Since this was my first meeting, I don't know really how relevant they are, but the tables had a lot of empty mics.

It will be interesting to see if they manage to fight back. Maybe they will just fill out the ballots themselves instead of mailing them.

I felt like the bylaw presentations were over a lot of people's heads or were too long for them to pay attention to. I found them interesting and enlightening, but I don't think I was in the majority. However when it came time to vote, people perked up and sent the board packing, so to speak.

I do think there needs to be some on-line supplementation to the bylaw and professional management presentation (and especially for the "Special Projects" which might sound like boondoggle) to go along with the ballots. I can imagine someone in the mainland getting multi-page ballot and thinking, "What is the board doing now? No. No. No." There should be some simple slides for each ballot line item to explain them to avoid people just voting no, or not voting.

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