Gun Control Proposal for Hawaii

[kalakoa]

How would you handle a sale?

No sale; all unwanted firearms to be surrendered to law enforcement and destroyed, thereby reducing the number in active circulation.

[islandlvng]

10 rounds for pistols. Assault type rifles are sold here with 20 rd mags from factory typically. 30rd mags or even 60rd drums can be purchased from stores here.

Three huge differences that could be made without causing much of an issue with people would be to stop selling magazines that carry over 10 rds, move the purchase age of all firearms to 21 minimum and raise the minimum price for the ar and ak to $1000-$1500.

For those of us who know about guns, the ar 15 is a horrible close range rifle because of the caliber. So many more students would be killed if a handgun and multiple clips where used or god forbid a shotgun like a mossberg 500 pistol grip which sells for a meager $200. Much easier to conceal and MUCH deadlier depending on the type of rounds used.

I spoke with Daylan from Pahoa police dept recently about how many long rifle registrations go through and she said I wouldn’t believe her if she told me. Ar being the top dog registered here. Hawai‘i really doesn’t have that strict of laws. You pass a background check after filling out a form and that’s it for rifles. No biggie.

There are more people here with guns than people want to realize. I had to pass a background check in Washington st before I could buy a rifle. Every one. Here in Hawai‘i I can pass the background check and I’m good for a year to purchase. Strict? Not in my opinion. Too much can happen to someone in a years time to allow them to purchase all year long and yet our gun deaths are so low because our laws are strict? Not a valid argument.

Trust me, it is not the ar-15 to blame here although it is the tool used. 18 is too young to own a firearm. No civilian firearm needs to carry more than 10rds.
Assault rifles should be sold at a much higher price.

We don’t blame the 400 horsepower Mustang when it crashes at 100+ mph with some drunk idiot behind the wheel do we? Most of us would point to the drunk idiot and yet there sits a car that goes over double, even triple the highest posted speed limit on any road. 700 hp Dodge hellcat 200mph+ club.....

Just like there will always be high horsepower cars that really don’t make sense, there will always be high powered rifles. Banning them is a wasted effort. Making them less appealing and harder to get is the way to go.

[MarkD]

"No sale; all unwanted firearms to be surrendered to law enforcement and destroyed."

Something like this makes sense. But there would be a generous payment to the gun seller. If he (or she) passes away and their children do not want the guns, the government takes the guns and makes payment to his estate.

No private sale of guns. But a person who does not have a gun will have the right to buy one in a government controlled gun shop. Objective, as kalakoa said: "reducing the number in active circulation."

[Durian Fiend]

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Originally posted by leilanidude

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He had "countless" magazines but was only able to kill 17?
Something doesn't add up.

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This POS shot some people a number of times, even after they were dead. He also emptied a lot of rounds in an effort to shoot out windows to get a clear line on kids running for their lives, but the hurricane proof glass did not yield.

[randomq]

In my scheme, you'd put a line through the previous owner's name and then engrave the new owner's name. Added incentive not to sell your gun to an asshole, or your name would end up associated with any future crimes. Maybe make the gun shop put their name on there too, and they'll be a little more careful!

[Kapoho Joe]

Can we spend some time talking about the numerous failures of the system? For example, there were several calls to the police regarding the shooter in FLA and there were ignored (even one from the shooter, himself). His family called, his neighbors called and with zero enforcement from police, he learned that there were no repercussions for his actions, further emboldening him.

Here in Hawaii, we seem to be doing more of the same. Just recently we had threats made against schools by students and these students were just "released to their parents". I would have liked to have seen some form of punishment for creating such hysteria and panic, not to mention the cost of the increased HPD presence on campus.

Children need structure and discipline and in cases where those are clearly lacking in the home, then the system needs to step in because as we have seen, failure to identify and correct these kids has devastating consequences.

[MarkD]

Question to gun supporters: I understand well all the slippery slope concerns, e.g., banning one type of weapon or function could lead to repeated, further restrictions down the line that are onerous.

But: Is the 2nd amendment to be interpreted that gun ownership includes the right to selling guns?

(I understand passing on a gun to a family member.)

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I do not believe civil rights should have a fee attached,

I agree.
Kids should not have to pay with their lives for the right to attend school. When one person's civil rights regularly infringe on another's, a compromise is in order.

We don't blame the 400 horsepower Mustang when it crashes at 100+ mph...

We might, if it started running down 20 schoolchildren every week or two. Especially if it was a Mustang almost every time.

Recycle Puna. Humans, although probably not you personally, have already left 400,000 pounds of trash on the moon. - YouTube's Half As Interesting

[Lodestone]

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I understand well all the slippery slope concerns, e.g., banning one type of weapon or function could lead to repeated, further restrictions down the line that are onerous.

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They banned (fully automatic) machine guns and sawed-off shotguns back in 1934. The slope was not slippery at all... they just culled new weapons that were too dangerous to be sold to the general public. I'm pretty sure bazookas, land mines, artillery and nuclear missiles are not to be found at WalMart either. On the other hand you can apparently buy a flamethrower. Go figure.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...owers-fire

[randomq]

MarkD, interesting line of thought. The 10th Amendment says that would be a state issue: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". One could argue, though, that preventing the sale of arms is limiting someone's right to bear them. Hawaii could probably institute tougher requirements, or periodic mental health and proficiency checks, etc.

HotPE, 15 adults or children died in school shootings last year. 20 so far this year. So "20 a week" is certainly not the average. Gun ownership is legal in Hawaii, and I only found 1 school shooting injury here *ever*. Even a single death is terrible, but should we let abuse of freedom by a tiny minority lead to a curtailing of freedoms for the majority? At some point, freedom has a cost and we have to be willing to pay it.