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There's also the rest of the civilized world to consider and be compared to.
Because Hawaii is so far from the mainland things can be done differently here and we can set an example for the other 49.
It should be possible to live in the USA and not run the risk of getting a bullet through your head just because some people... well, I'll leave it there.
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Easy. Ban modern firearms. A flintlock musket is perfectly adequate for hunting pigs, right?
Actually I know of several bow hunters.
But more to the point, the notion to "ban firearms" brings up an interesting idea. Instead of banning firearms, they are protected by the constitution after all, how about banning ammunition? Ok, not banning, but as with the idea of allowing the insurance industry to identify and put a realistic price on the liability involved, how about putting a price on each type of ammunition? A surcharge that is directly tied to the cost that each type of ammo levies upon society.
Not knowing all that much about it, caliber of ammo for each weapon etc., I still figure there are distinctions that a statistical analysis could use to define a surcharge that would make bullets for a killer's weapon of choice cost prohibited. Yes, I know, it's as easy as pie to make bullets at home or smuggle bullets from wherever, but that applies to the guns as well. I think the point is to make our live's safer and that's going to take a change in attitude and behavior plus the time to actually outgrow the current norms.
Anything we can do to lower the numbers, to discourage those that would engage in this kind of behavior from doing so, is well worth it. Even if it infringes on someone suppose constitutional rights. Which considering that the 2 Amendment starts with the phase "A well regulated Militia," I believe our founders never intended the broad definition as it is applied in society today.
I wouldn't suggest this to be an alternative to Rob's insurance based proposal, but rather in an addition.
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they are protected by the constitution after all
It could be argued that this "protection" only extends to the firearms that existed at the time the Constitution was written.
A surcharge that is directly tied to the cost that each type of ammo levies
Like the existing Pittman-Robertson funds?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-43236421
It really is that simple, no need to reinvent the wheel. I look forward to Hawaii's efforts to get the firearm death rate even lower.
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Originally posted by PaulW
Maybe the gun enthusiasts here can suggest what sort of language should go into a law here in Hawaii that would have the desired effect, i.e. lets people have guns for hunting, target practice and "self defence" but makes it difficult if not impossible for some loser to kill 17 people in 4 minutes with a single weapon.
We could outlaw semi automatic firearms with replaceable magazines. Outlaw any semi automatic firearm that has a magazine holding over x number of rounds.
If we are going to worry about bolt action, lever action and pump action rifles, then it's time to admit we really want to ban ALL firearms. In that case, I'm out, and the NRA is right about the slippery slope theory, and we will get nothing done.
Semi automatic rifles with replaceable magazines are the tool of choice for mass murderers. They can buy after market magazines with the capacity to hold huge numbers of rounds, and buy many of those, load them, and carry them when they do their mission.
Look at this page and scroll down and you'll see a 90 round magazine for an AR-15.Throw six or eight of those in a carry bag and imagine the damage that could ensue.
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/assault-weapons-ban-2/
If it were up to me, I'd make a ban on semi automatic "centerfire" rifles with detachable magazines. This would exempt .22 rimfire rifles, like the Ruger 10/22, and I doubt anyone can come up with an instance where one of those was used in a mass shooting.
I would make sure semi automatic handguns with replaceable magazines had a limit on the capacity of the magazines.
Would banning these firearms stop ALL mass shootings? Nope. But, it would take their weapons of choice away from the mix.
Some creative anti gunners have suggested, maybe we should outlaw firearm ammunition. Take a path like that and you will lose folks like me. I've fired many thousands of rounds in target shooting, competing, and practicing over 50 years, and never used a firearm in commission of a crime.
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A simple Federal set of laws fashioned similar to those here in the islands would pretty much do the trick minimizing firearm deaths.
Require a mental eval, proficiency/training cert, insurance, same for ammo purchases, no p2p sales, no gun show sales, any age minimum should be consistent with military service, consent, or consumption laws as well.
Having 50 different (and competing) sets of firearms laws (or lack thereof) is effing ridiculous.
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http://main.diabetes.org/dorg/PDFs/Advoc...hawaii.pdf
Around 1.6 million around the world (260 in Hawaii) die from diabetes every year. It also costs our economy $1.5 billion in healthcare, lost productivity, etc. It's not as exciting as death by firearm, so easier to ignore. Perhaps Hawaii should ban sugary drinks and candy bars? Require insurance to purchase them?
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sugary drinks and candy bars? Require insurance to purchase them?
Isn't it called health insurance? It's the last measure for people who can't regulate their consumption of sugar, without banning sugar. Like gun insurance would regulate weapons without a complete ban.
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randomq: you are not incorrect - diabetes is a bigger problem, as is heart disease and a few others. The difference is that gun violence does not generally involve voluntary participation by the one on the receiving end. So by all means, more effort to make people healthy are welcome by me.
In terms of Hawaii, I think the state has a pretty good handle on firearm licensing and public safety with regard to firearms with a few exceptions.
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Easy. Ban modern firearms. A flintlock musket is perfectly adequate for hunting pigs, right?
No. Sure, you should take that pig down first shot, but if you don't and he's angry you could get tore up real good. A 5 shot magazine should suffice. It's all I have when hunting in grizzly bear country.
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