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I stick by everything I've said. I don't use Roundup. I have no idea if it's dangerous. But I know hysteria when I see it.
I'm trying to get to the truth, what are you trying to do? Spreading misinformation from dodgy websites.
Don't now say they aren't because you agreed you were mistaken.
Are you disputing nowthat there are indeed NO countries now that have completely banned Roundup?
Back to the title of this thread: "Roundup (cancer causing substance) cases underway".
Got any proof that Roundup causes cancer? Yous state it as though it's a fact. You seem very sure of yourself, I'd like to know why.
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This is why it is alarming:
Not nit-picking on how much of the country wants to change policies.
The fact that so many MANY do want changes. Why is that so hard for some people to realize that THAT is the issue here.
We also talked about the title of the thread too. Go back and actually read the posts and the links provided PaulW. before becoming entirely redundant. The basis of the lawsuit that is CURRENTLY underway is that; Roundup has caused all of these cases of NON-Hodgkins lymphoma the plaintiffs suffer from. Okay do the math:
Lymphoma = a type of cancer
The attorneys are saying Roundup caused it. Therefore that is the case: Roundup causes cancer.
If it is to be published in a magazine you will just have to wait because the case is not over yet RainyJim
This is for the individuals that post a lot without reading the links provided.
A number of cities, counties, states and countries throughout the world have taken steps to either restrict or ban glyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup weed killer.
The following countries have issued outright bans on glyphosate, imposed restrictions or have issued statements of intention to ban or restrict glyphosate-based herbicides, including Roundup, over health concerns and the ongoing Roundup cancer litigation:
Argentina: Over 30,000 health care professionals advocated for a glyphosate ban following the International Agency for Research on Cancer’s (IARC) report on glyphosate, which concluded the chemical is probably carcinogenic to humans.
Australia: Numerous municipalities and school districts throughout the country are currently testing alternative herbicides in an effort to curtail or eliminate glyphosate use. Many use steam technology for weed control on streets and in other public areas.
Belgium: Banned the individual use of glyphosate. In 2017, Belgium voted against relicensing glyphosate in the EU. The country was also one of six EU member states to sign a letter to the EU Commission calling for “an exit plan for glyphosate…“
Bermuda: Outlawed private and commercial sale of all glyphosate-based herbicides.
Brazil: A federal prosecutor requested that the Brazilian Justice Department outlaw the use of glyphosate out of concern the herbicide causes health problems.
Canada: Eight out of the 10 provinces in Canada have some form of restriction on the use of non-essential cosmetic pesticides, including glyphosate. Vancouver has banned public and private use of glyphosate, aside from the treatment of invasive weeds.
Colombia: In 2015, Colombia outlawed the use of glyphosate to destroy illegal plantations of coca, the raw ingredient for cocaine, out of concern that glyphosate causes cancer. However, in January of 2017, the country reinstituted its controversial glyphosate fumigation program for coca. Unlike the previous program, which used aerial fumigation, the new program consists of manual spraying from the ground.
Denmark: The Danish Working Environment Authority declared glyphosate to be carcinogenic and has recommended a change to less toxic chemicals. Aalborg, one of the largest cities in Denmark, issued private-use glyphosate ban in September of 2017.
El Salvador: Banned glyphosate over links to deadly kidney disease.
England: A number of townships, including Shaftsbury, Brighton, Hammersmith & Fulham, Bristol, Glastonbury, Erewash and North Somerset have voted to institute restrictions on pesticides and herbicides, including glyphosate.
France: In November of 2017, President Emmanuel Macron announced that France would issue an outright ban on glyphosate within the next three years.
Germany: In January of 2018, Germany’s coalition government agreed to begin the process of banning glyphosate. Certain retail stores in Germany have also pulled glyphosate-based herbicides like Roundup from shelves.
Greece: Greece was one of nine EU countries to vote against relicensing glyphosate in November of 2017. The country was also one of six EU member states to sign a 2018 letter to the European Commission calling for “an exit plan for glyphosate…” According to Greek Minister of Agricultural Development Evangelos Apostolou, “[i]t is our duty to push in the direction of risk management, in the interests of consumers, producers and the environment.”
Italy: Italy’s Ministry of Health placed a number of restrictions on glyphosate use. Italian legislators have also raised concerns about glyphosate safety, and have come out against relicensing the herbicide in the European Union. In November of 2017, Italy was one of seven EU nations to vote against relicensing glyphosate.
Luxembourg: One of Luxembourg’s largest supermarket chains removed glyphosate from its shelves following the release of the IARC glyphosate report. Luxembourg was one of nine EU countries to vote against relicensing glyphosate in November of 2017, and in early 2018, the country signed a letter to the EU Commission calling for “an exit plan for glyphosate…“
Malta: Malta began the process of instituting countrywide ban of glyphosate. However, Environment Minister José Herrera backtracked in January of 2017, saying the country would continue to oppose glyphosate in discussions but would fall in line with the European Union and wait for further studies. In November of 2017, Malta was one of nine EU countries to vote against relicensing glyphosate. The country also signed a letter to the EU Commission in 2018 calling for “an exit plan for glyphosate…“
Netherlands: Banned all non-commercial use of glyphosate.
New Zealand: The cities of Auckland and Christchurch passed resolutions to reduce the usage of chemicals for weed and pest control in public places. The Physicians and Scientists for Global Responsibility, a New Zealand charitable trust, called for a glyphosate ban in 2015.
Portugal: Prohibits the use of glyphosate in all public spaces. President of the Portuguese Medical Association has also called for a worldwide ban of glyphosate.
Scotland: Aberdeen cut back its use of herbicides and Edinburgh’s City Council voted to phase out glyphosate. In November of 2017, five of Scotland’s six EU parliamentarians voted in favor of a motion that would phase out glyphosate by 2022.
Slovenia: Slovenia was one of six EU member states to sign a 2018 letter to the European Commission citing “concerns” about the risks associated with glyphosate. The letter called upon the Commission to introduce “an exit plan for glyphosate…”
Spain: According to Kistiñe Garcia of the Spanish NGO, Ecologistas en Acción, Barcelona, Madrid, Zaragoza and the region of Extremuda have decided to ban glyphosate. The regions of La Rioja (major Spanish wine region) and Aragon have also approved motions against endocrine disrupting chemicals, which includes glyphosate.
Sri Lanka: Banned the private and commercial sale of glyphosate. Sri Lanka was the first country to issue a nationwide ban on glyphosate.
Sweden: Raised concerns about glyphosate safety and has pushed against relicensing the herbicide in the EU. In 2017, the Swedish Chemicals Agency (SCA) announced it was planning to tighten rules on private use of plant protection products. Under the plan, private users would only be allowed to use products containing “low-risk substances.” According to the SCA, glyphosate is an example of an active substance not expected to be included among low-risk substances, meaning in due time, private consumers may not be permitted to use herbicides containing glyphosate.
Switzerland: Concerned about public wellbeing, the Swiss supermarket chains Migros and Coop removed glyphosate-based products from their shelves due to health risks. In 2017, the Green party put forth a plan to ban glyphosate in Switzerland. The proposed plan was rejected by the Federal Council, Switzerland’s executive.
Okay just glancing over that list (if you actually take time to read it) seems alarming.
Uh Paul. My data shows at least a couple countries banning it. El Salvador, Belgium and Sri Lanka.
Stop arguing about the amount of ban. It's pointless. Focus on the effort to ban and discuss why so many are banning or intending to. What can/should be done about it?
edited to add color to Countries.
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Again you are spreading "facts" that you know to be false. Why?
"Okay just glancing over that list (if you actually take time to read it) seems alarming. "
Yes, if you glance. If you actually check the facts then you find out it is wrong or outdated.
As I told you already, Bermuda has reversed the ban, as has Sri Lanka. But just keep repeating your untruths, maybe someone will believe them.
But does that get us any closer to the truth?
Do you know if Roundup causes cancer? No? Then why do you call it a "cancer causing substance" in the very title of this thread?
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OMG Paul.
All I got for you is a Homer Simpson, "doh!" with a hand over the forehead and eyes. Too dense to talk any sense to.
Is there some way to block a Poster on Puna Web so his/her posts are invisible to me? Similar to blocking a number on a cell-phone.
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ElysianWort,
It is not required to respond to any post. Responding brings forth another response, which brings forth.....
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Assume the best and ask questions.
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Sorry if my posts upset you EW. Just keep spreading your "facts", I thought you were interested in truth.
Signing out from this thread.
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Ask an emergency room doctor how many people they have seen die from broken glass, they have some stories. Some right away, others took a long time to die from infections.
Ask how many people they have seen die from BPA: None.
Yet glass containers are the "safer alternative" to anything lined with BPA?
I have no doubt that Roundup causes cancer and thousands of people die each year from it. People die from eating peanuts. It doesn't mean I'm going to be afraid of them. But how many millions of people don't starve to death because of how herbicides and pesticides have brought food to market that otherwise would not have been?
It doesn't matter if you look under your bed, in your thermos, or in your pantry, if you look for the Boogeyman long enough, you will find it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Tucker
If you don't want to dance, don't dance.
Funny, funny, funny.
I suspect they DO want to dance, dance, dance, till my daddy took the T-Bird away....
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fwiw EW, when I referred to publications like Science or Nature, I wasn't referring to magazines - Science and Nature are the most prestigious academic journals where novel research in biological sciences (among others) are reported.
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The fact that attorneys would bring a case and that large numbers of scientifically illiterate people would believe fear mongering or that irresponsible politicians would cater to them highlights an already well established aspect of human nature having nothing to do with whether roundup causes cancer. We may in fact find that there are long term problems with roundup but we don't know that yet. What we "know" is that to the degree that we have looked so far roundup does not have the evidence against it that would warrant this sort of backlash. The drive to ban it is based on emotion and innuendo.
Repeating "See, there's a lawsuit against it so it must be bad" and "Lots of people think it's bad" mean nothing. Less than nothing in fact. A certain camp doth protest too much, methinks.
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