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If it is irrelevant why worry as you do about it?
I'm working on that.
Problem is, growth is happening anyway. Despite the "planning" suggested by the PCDP, we aren't getting any more "usability". No alternate routes, no nearby commercial uses.
Every decision is a one-off: upzone a lot here, grant an SUP there -- if the project is lucky enough not to have nearby residents who "don't want that near their house".
Voting for/against any candidate doesn't make a difference.
Should be an interesting next few decades.
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I'm pissed at the CoH SUP system too. I will be asking Eileen O'Hara to put forward a bill to "pre approve" commercial zoning in all PCDP village and commercial centers. The SUP screwed up system is ripe for abuse and discourages investment.... not that the CoH cares.
But the CoH is not the PCDP. It is the PCDP that will be the leverage to get pre approved commercial zoning.
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I mentioned the PCDP in the context of Wirick’s rejection of it. You can like it or hate it, or bemoan the lack of action taken according to its recommendations, but having a document that provides a plan and that has been vetted by the consensus of those who took part in the process of drafting it way back when is better than having nothing. Wirick wants to discard that consensus and, by virtue of his agricultural fiat, declare that the only way forward for Puna is to go backward, that is, for all of us to adopt an agrarian lifestyle and a barter economy. My point was, that isn’t a fair reflection of what the majority of the people in Puna want, and that a representative should prioritize according to his/her constituent’s wishes.
kalakoa... you say voting doesn’t make a difference. I agree that it might feel that way sometimes, because voting isn’t a zero sum vending machine. Forces more powerful than a single voter (for example, Shipman) skew the results of 1-person 1-vote. But sometimes voting against those forces can have a beneficial effect, or at least can delay a deleterious effect. I’ve been told that Ashley reports to Bill Walter the same way Trump reports to Vladimir Putin. And her responses to various local issues seem to align with Shipman priorities. So in that case, your vote, should you randomly cast it for Ashley, or not vote at all and thereby help her get elected, will in fact make a difference. Just not the kind you were hoping for.
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I consider our voting system here to be 1 acre = 1 vote. There are enough of us 1 acre people to overcome the large acreage voters IF we vote.
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enough of us 1 acre people to overcome the large acreage voters IF we vote
We can't even manage the vast "private agricultural" subdivisions.
having a document that provides a plan and that has been vetted by the consensus of those who took part in the process of drafting it way back when is better than having nothing
Yes, because then the County can use the PCDP as a reason to say No, while also claiming that the PCDP "lacks legal merit" whenever it's in the way.
It's almost as if the goal was to "have the community come together to develop a plan", not to actually implement the plan.
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....not to actually implement the plan.
Actually this is true. When Harry Kim went on the road around the county promoting thousands of community man hours in developing the various community plans he did not explain that the reason for pushing community planning was the result of a consent decree with a federal civil rights action against the State of Hawaii (and CoH) wherein the govt. did not take in community input in the allocation of transportation (roads) money. So the county was required to get community input. Hence the CDPs.
Harry was not honest enough to explain to us that there was no intention to actually listen to or implement the plans. It was a bait and switch. Hence Shipman Ltd. getting to personally edit the plan.
That does not mean we cannot push and/or demand action. But once again it will come down to "get everyone agruing and walk away" on the CoH's part. We can let them get away with that or not. Up to us.
Most effective and inexpensive would be a follow-up civil rights complaint. Probably best to spend the next couple years preparing one and await a new Federal administration.
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I’ve dropped contributing to this thread but have continued to follow along. When I first posted that Ms Ruggles had withdrawn from the election I was met with skepticism by frequent contributors and our host. “Proof” was requested, in some form, other than my describing how I came to know this which I thought to be sufficient, that is I referred to a specific and verifiable source. Others still posted their doubts so I then privately provided a screenshot directly to our hosts email (no mention in the thread however). Soon after my email to him the news broke on various media and this thread changed direction and was off and running.
I’m back to accomplish two things;
1) Point out an example of the unsubstantiated and scurrilous "fake news" that is unfortunatly a part of this forum
2) Suggest that there may be some hypocrisy in how these types of statements are accepted by others, including our host.
Here it is, from DaVinci, earlier today (immediately followed on the thread by a post from our host):
"…I’ve been told that Ashley reports to Bill Walter the same way Trump reports to Vladimir Putin…"
First, Trump looks and sounds guilty as hell, but Mueller hasn't filed his report yet so...conjecture at best.
Second…Really? "Ashley reports to Bill. " Who exactly told you this?
I believe you made this up to support your preference in candidates. I believe your motivations got in the way of your ethics, you then either made up this lie or you chose to pass one along without vetting it. I know both Bill and Ashley, they are both very active in our community. ( BTW:I know Eileen as well). Ashley is nobody's tool and Bill is no puppeteer. I call BS on this lie before it becomes a canard.
These types of posts are a poor reflection on both the poster and the forum.
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Ashley is nobody's tool and Bill is no puppeteer.
That just means any "collusion" will be spread across more participants.
Big landowners run this County; describe it how you will, but the end result is the same.
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Ever since my first viewing of The Wizard of Oz, I’ve been told I should pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Over the years I think most of us have come to recognize that it’s the curtain we need to watch.
It’s not that difficult to narrow down a potential list of protagonists hiding on the other side of the curtain. It’s almost never the average guy or the common man. Besides, there’s too many of them to fit back there. It’s standing room only for a select few.
As any fan of TV detective shows understands, you should look for means, motive, and opportunity. Then when you’re getting close, the distractions will be unleashed, and the denials forthcoming.
Is the jury still deadlocked? The odds that natural climate variability can account for the magnitude of the temperature changes over the course of the satellite record are roughly five in a million, researchers report. - Science, July 19, 2018.
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Great, a smear is called out and the equivocation begins with conspiracy theories. This is a fringe player trope. We are seeing the damage done when it becomes the vernacular ( Birtherism > MAGA > the State of the Union)
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