Discussion of land swap ?

[terracore]

If anybody wants to see exactly how much Shipman gets (or received in the past) from the USDA they can request that information here:

https://efoia-pal.usda.gov/

I've filed FOIA requests before. They aren't complicated or expensive.

[rainyjim]

You could just try asking the USDA, you don’t have to say Bill Walter, just ask about the program in general in Hawaii and the subsidy for sugar.

[wax]

would be interesting to know where Ms. Mimosa got the information - maybe just a link or document.

[kalakoa]

just ask about the program in general in Hawaii and the subsidy for sugar

...and how to sign up.

[Mr nice guy]

I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m not buying into the story that anybody is even getting two cents a month/acre to not grow sugar.

[alaskyn66]

FWIW..ill not grow whatever you tell me not to grow.. talking to you... Feds.Do you do direct deposit?

https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/28068/web

[Mimosa]

Back in the days when sugar was king - the Federal Govt via USDA had hired my husband dismantle all the sugar cane camps from puna to Hamakua.Each cane camp was approx 10 acres.The sugar cane companies had a 100 year contract not to grow sugar as to much was being grown.The more cane camps that were dismantled the more acreage was out of production
As sugar dwindled and then closed the employes were offered a nice severance package of $ and 5 to 40 acre parcels of land which is now Kea'au Ag Lots .Many of the workers were of Filipino heritage When my husband retired from sugar they gave our ohana 40 acres in Glenwood at the very top of the cane lands.
The USDA to this day pays many types of farmers not to grow certain crops or artificially props up prices so Big Ag and small mom n pops stay viable .The 3 billion just approved is for the soy bean farmers just for this year due to China tariff tat for tat.
The land under mac nut as of 1960 was shipman.Maybe they sold that parcel since then - we do not care to speculate.
Shipman Industrial is the 2nd largest industrial in the entire state .Most is lease hold.
No subdivisions existed in Puna pre 1957......
Mrs.Mimosa

[wax]

Ms. M - there were sugar subsidies in the day. Those subsidies were based on quantity of sugar grown to encourage sugar crops in the US. They went to AmFac who leased land from Shipman among others. There are no sugar subsidies in Hawaii today and Shipman never farmed so would not have been eligible. To jump from subsidies going to cane growers more than 30 years ago to Shipman or anyone else getting $2K/acre/month is quite a jump. I would change my mind on that if someone can show a document that shows otherwise.

I checked several lots in the Industrial Park, None of them belong to Shipman according to the tax records. Maybe Shipman owns some - but must not be many. A major advantage of buying there according to my friends - and looks like the property records demonstrate - is that they are fee simple. Industrial lots in Hilo are almost all leased because they belong to the State.

[Mimosa]

Well we stand by our facts .
Tell us how and why Kea'au Ag lots were formed .
Amfac leased the land from Shipman.
Were you around pre 1940s 1950s?
Doubt it,
We will in next month go Shipman ourselves to get the facts.They stey in Kea'au.My husband was in upper management ,
Mrs.Mimosa

[Mimosa]

wax - who did the state buy the industrial park from - Shipman.
Shipman will one day be opening Gateway Shopping Center.
Shipman owns Kea'au shopping center - which used to be a large cane camp. My husband was in charge of the removal of the old homes .
You do remember the big red barn yes or Kea'au Steak House.
The arsenic dumping area from behind and under the shopping center,
when sugar was king in the 1930s prior to world war 2 or the Korean conflict?
When sugar was king and there was an actual rail road to the Hilo Dock.
Before Caucasians and subdivisions and hippies and illegal drugs like pakalolo.
Mts.Mimosa