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Originally posted by Mimosa
wax - who did the state buy the industrial park from - Shipman.
Shipman will one day be opening Gateway Shopping Center.
Shipman owns Kea'au shopping center - which used to be a large cane camp. My husband was in charge of the removal of the old homes .
You do remember the big red barn yes or Kea'au Steak House.
The arsenic dumping area from behind and under the shopping center,
when sugar was king in the 1930s prior to world war 2 or the Korean conflict?
When sugar was king and there was an actual rail road to the Hilo Dock.
Before Caucasians and subdivisions and hippies and illegal drugs like pakalolo.
Mts.Mimosa
Glad to see you're a still a racist, hate-filled old woman who screeches on a forum to try and convince someone, anyone, that her ancient, racist diatribes are still fresh and worth listening to. You're also really ignorant about your own history, which isn't surprising since you're racist and proud of it.
Pakalolo was first mentioned in the Hawai'ian newspaper Ka Nonanona back in the year 1842. Whoops! looks like Mimosa doesn't have any idea what she's talking about on this subject! Pakalolo has been around since before your mom was born, Mimosa. It was being grown by poor farmers to supplement their coffee crops before you ever existed on this planet. You demand that everyone show you respect as an elder, but you show no respect to your own ancestors who grew that crop just to pay the bills.
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The industrial park in Hilo is and always has been State land - most of it DLNR. Shipman owned land in Puna -Keaau - not Hilo.
Shipman, from what I can tell, may own the land under the Keaau Shopping Center but leases the land to others.
Shipman were ranchers - no indication that they had anything to do with pakalolo, dumping arsenic (used by Puna Sugar - a leassee of Shipman). Puna Sugar owned some land including land where Keaau Ag lots now are, land under the old mill and the plantation manager's house. Coming from missionary and Hawaiian roots, they were here long before hippies and the like.
You say nothing about 8.5 mile camp, 9 mile camp and 9.5 mile camp - all on land that was owned by Shipman that they all but donated to the camp associations as sugar wound down to make sure that those living there would not end up homeless.
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The industrial park in Hilo is and always has been State land
Yes, by some "amazing coincidence", State owns most industrial land and much of the prime resort land, which is then leased to whomever State thinks is appropriate -- not who we might choose at the County level -- why do we need control of our local economy?
dumping arsenic (used by Puna Sugar - a leassee of Shipman)
Shipman was sued for contamination at the jungle parcel just mauka of Keaau Foodland, they agreed to clean the site, but while the case was winding through the courts, the economy tanked. This is why the land is still jungle instead of the 60-room Travelodge (permits still on file, attached to the parcel, look it up).
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Glad to see you're a still a...
Talk about shrill, maybe your mom didn't wash your mouth out with soap enough, I don't know, but dude your rant is as disrespectful as anything you are bitching about.. and even more so.
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The Shipman connection to sugarcane:
In 1899, B.F. Dillingham, Lorrin A. Thurston, Alfred W. Carter, Samuel M. Damon, and Wm. H. Shipman pooled their resources and started what they believed would become Hawaii's largest and most prosperous sugar plantation.
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With a $5,000,000 investment, the promoters purchased 16,000 acres in fee simple land and nearly 7,000 acres in long leasehold from W.H. Shipman.
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~speccoll/p_puna.html
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In other words, Shipman leased land and did not themselves invest in or farm the land. "Pooling resources" is somewhat misleading in this case.
Interesting, no record of Shipman being sued over the hotel site and it is not owned by Shipman according to County records.
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it is not owned by Shipman according to County records
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2006/08...ory10.html
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All this the Shipman's this and the Shipman's that...
Anyone that really wants to know about the Shipman's and their history here should read The Shipmans of East Hawaii...
https://www.amazon.com/Shipmans-East-Haw...0824816803
It's a bit dry, Emmett was never known for the eloquence of his prose, but it is a page turner none the less, for those that find the history of Hawaii intriguing..
And yeah, their's is a long game.. predicated on leasing the land rather than making a stand on whatever the passing fancy is of the time... coffee.. sugarcane.. the successes and failures are all the same as long as the tenant pays the rent. I suspect they're happy as pie at the latest turn of events where Pahoa stands to turn into a outpost at the end of the road, while Keeau is soon to come into it's own as the major hub of Puna.
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did not themselves invest in or farm the land. "Pooling resources" is somewhat misleading
Perhaps this description, of Shipman as an investor who started the Olaa Sugar Company is more descriptive of their participation:
Shipman purchased the Kea‘au ahupua‘a from the King Lunalilo Estate in 1881, and then joined B. F. Dillingham and other investors in starting the Olaa Sugar Company in 1899.
https://www.localciting.com/mapping-the-...aa-hawaii/
Also noted in the same link:
As for Kea‘au village, the W.H. Shipman, Ltd. Company still owns much of the land, leasing out parcels to tenants.
Home ownership is very rare in the plantation. In the village, Mr. X leases out land. He is indifferent to any offer to purchase his land.
“Mr. X” is William Herbert Shipman (1854-1943)
A tennis court (40) on P#257;hoa Road is marked “for Whites Only.”
As mentioned in another history of the company, Shipman was not the only owner of Olaa Sugar who operated multiple businesses concurrently:
The primary figures in Olaa Sugar company also had interests in other island-wide plantations and supporting businesses which included railroads (Dillingham) and in the case of the Shipmans, stores, homes, etc
http://www.planetpuna.com/Puna%20Trails%...rPlant.htm
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It's like people never lived rural and experienced major corporate land holdings or even a 'Company Town'.
Shipman got here first, and plenty people stay jelly!
Also Mimosa is a blowhard knowitall and GlassNumbers is a pimply faced jerk.
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