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Time to begin discussing Puna lava viewing site
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08-01-2018, 05:06 AM
We'll all pay for it in the end, not them, so why worry?
If I'm paying for it, I want some say in how it's run. If I don't get a choice, then I shouldn't have to pay either.
08-01-2018, 06:56 AM
kalakoa @ 09:06:35 08/01/2018-
"If I don't get a choice, then I shouldn't have to pay either". How much have things really changed since the "Big Five" oligarchy? Different players perhaps, some different components in the politics and culture and economics, but the same high handed and corrupt attitudes and practices. The so-called 1954 "Revolution" was essentially either DOA or, by 1980, not something that was thought about or practiced at all. What do you think? Meanwhile,I'm going back to the regularly scheduled program, "Harry and the Pacemakers". edit for spelling and syntax,10:58 
08-01-2018, 07:42 AM
lack of business tax revenue and the lawsuits currently being formulated against the County. We'll all pay for it in the end, not them, so why worry?
Yes. * We've lost 700 homes and families who were contributing taxes * We've lost papaya farms, fruit, and orchid farms that were contributing taxes * We've lost residents and workers who shopped at the stores and restaurants in Pahoa * Soon, we may start losing buinesses That will be a substantial amount of County tax revenue, gone. Which as ironyak noted, will easily (for the County) be replaced with higher taxes on the rest of us. What it won't do is replace the jobs lost when businesses close down, and farms remain unable to grow a product for market, so again, the County's path of least resistance will most likely be to hire more workers. How you say? Why you ask, as there are less residents and businesses to "serve?" (Here it comes) Micro-zones. Lava micro-zones. Instead of Puna divided into Lava Zone 1, 2, and 3, the County will create an entire new classification system, For example: Lava Zone 1-A, 1-B, 1-C, etc etc Panels will be created, studies funded, maps drawn, and workers hired to manage the new apparatus which will oversee building permits, County construction, and a complex system of hazard pay for County workers entering Zone 1-A through 1-X for maintenance, signage, policing, etc. All of this will, we'll be told, benefit us, the taxpayers and residents. How you might ask (again)? Home builders will clearly understand the precise risk involved when building in certain micro-zones as the permit and inspection processes will require byzantine application packets and lengthy periods of review in order to provide a greater veneer of safety (as well as additional people to handle the mounting paperwork and on-site inspections. Perhaps even specialized electrical systems and roofing materials able to withstand future SO2 events, for cuz-es now in the trades because they couldn't get a coveted County position. Harry? Are you listening? When you decide you're in need of a Director for the newly created Department of Lava Micro-Zone Administration call me, I'm available. “Generalized intelligence and mental alertness are the most powerful enemies of dictatorship and at the same time the basic conditions of effective democracy.” - Aldous Huxley
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
08-01-2018, 07:51 AM
Soon, we may start losing buinesses
Jack's Tours shut down yesterday, so this is neither "soon" nor "may". Lava Zone 1-A, 1-B, 1-C, etc etc Interesting idea, but it will not result in the "lower permit burden" that we actually need.
08-01-2018, 08:05 AM
will not result in the "lower permit burden" that we actually need.
No. It will result in a "higher permit burden" and "County worker burden" (on taxpayers) which County administrators actually want. “Generalized intelligence and mental alertness are the most powerful enemies of dictatorship and at the same time the basic conditions of effective democracy.” - Aldous Huxley
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
08-01-2018, 11:37 AM
The "Iron Law of Bureaucracy" was mentioned in these threads.
State and County politicians and government employees have become a self perpetuating purpose in and for themselves. That's why they fight a real economy that would make private jobs, or even something like TMT. A real economy would reduce their power and influence. Or as HOTPE says, "permit burden", "County worker burden" and County administrators- whom I say are our modern day "plantation owners". Rather than private business owners, etc.,,,,
08-01-2018, 01:30 PM
I once worked in a government office as an outsider. Due to office politics, 4 junior managers were constantly jockeying for position against each other. One way to increase their power was to convince the big boss that they needed more manpower, which also gave him more power. It became an arms race and led to bloated teams of people sitting around doing nothing all day, all paid for by the taxpayer.
08-01-2018, 02:29 PM
@ paulw...bloated teams of people sitting around doing nothing all day, all paid for by the taxpayer.
well...gaud damit!
08-02-2018, 03:11 PM
It's pretty obvious that CD is not going to allow a viewing area. On Tuesday they announced that they looked at several sites and none met their requirements. The odds of a new, previously unthought of site is near zero. They are handing out punishments for anybody looking at the lava, taking pictures of the lava, bringing in media to look at the facts on the ground, and anybody even daring to walk down their own private road. CD is going to do whatever heinous military occupation undertaking necessary to ensure that "nobody got killed on our watch", even if it includes stamping the iron boot on the face of everybody under their protection.
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