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2018 Hurricane Season
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

I'm wondering where people are coming up with the 65+ mph forecast.

The Chunkster Gold Standard ECMWF Model on Weather Underground. It's a little tricky to find on their website, but the 65 mph sustained wind was at the time of Olivia's projected arrival at the tip of North Kohala...


Here it is. Match longitude of Hawaii with wind speed.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 09/2100Z 21.7N 145.1W 65 KT 75 MPH
12H 10/0600Z 21.7N 146.7W 65 KT 75 MPH
24H 10/1800Z 21.7N 148.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 11/0600Z 21.4N 150.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 11/1800Z 21.1N 152.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 12/1800Z 20.2N 157.1W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 13/1800Z 19.2N 162.3W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 14/1800Z 19.6N 167.3W 30 KT 35 MPH
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I can’t get the NOAA cone map tp update. It’s stuck on Saturday 2pm.....
Is it me or is it them?
Puna: Our roosters crow first
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quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdgebut Aaron Rodgers is back in the game so I'm outta here for now...


Not gonna happen... Sad but me too.

Cheers,
Kirt
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OK, maybe...

Cheers,
Kirt
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"Unfortunately, the track
guidance actually shows slightly more spread for this cycle. The
ECMWF, Canadian, and NAVGEM models are on the northern side of the
envelope, while the GFS now appears to be a southern outlier. The
consensus guidance splits the difference and remained very close to
the previous forecast. Thus, made very little change to the
forecast track. However, the spread in the guidance and resulting
uncertainty demonstrates the importance of not focusing too much on
the exact track as Olivia moves across the islands. "

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/tcpages/arc...1809100306

WTPA45 PHFO 100306
TCDCP5

Hurricane Olivia Discussion Number 38
NWS Central Pacific Hurricane Center Honolulu HI EP172018
500 PM HST Sun Sep 09 2018

Olivia has continued to exhibit an indistinct but persistent eye
feature over the past several hours. A 2120 UTC AMSR2 and a 0050 UTC
SSMIS pass showed a partial eyewall, mainly in the southeastern
semicircle, along with what appears to be a developing banding
feature to the northeast and east of the center. The subjective
intensity estimates from SAB, JTWC, and PHFO were unanimous at 4.5,
and ADT gave a 4.3. Have maintained the current intensity of 65 kt
for now, pending more data from the next Air Force Reserve Hurricane
Hunter mission this evening.

Neglecting wobbles, Olivia is moving 270/10. This due west motion
is being induced by a deep layer ridge to the north and northwest
of the tropical cyclone. In 12 to 24 hours, the ridge is expected
to strengthen and build southward ahead of Olivia, forcing the
cyclone on a slightly slower and more south of due west motion that
will persist through about 96 hours. Unfortunately, the track
guidance actually shows slightly more spread for this cycle. The
ECMWF, Canadian, and NAVGEM models are on the northern side of the
envelope, while the GFS now appears to be a southern outlier. The
consensus guidance splits the difference and remained very close to
the previous forecast. Thus, made very little change to the
forecast track. However, the spread in the guidance and resulting
uncertainty demonstrates the importance of not focusing too much on
the exact track as Olivia moves across the islands.

There's also little change to the forecast thinking in terms of
intensity. Sea surface temperatures will be marginal, but gradually
increasing along the track as Olivia approaches the main Hawaiian
Islands. Wind shear is expected to remain weak over the tropical
cyclone through the next 24 hours, then begin gradually increasing,
approaching 30 knots by 72 hours. All of the intensity guidance
depicts weakening after 36 hours, but at somewhat different rates.
Our forecast depicts Olivia weakening faster than HCCA and LGEM,
but not as fast as most of the consensus guidance, HMON, and SHIPS.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. It is important to not focus on the exact forecast track and
intensity when planning for Olivia. Persons on all the main
Hawaiian Islands should continue preparing for the liklihood of
direct impacts from this system this week. Those impacts could
include intense flooding rainfall, damaging winds, large and
dangerous surf, and storm surge.

2. Regardless of the exact track and intensity that Olivia takes
as it approaches the islands, significant effects often extend far
from the center. In particular, the mountainous terrain of Hawaii
can produce localized areas of strongly enhanced winds and
rainfall, even well away from the tropical cyclone center.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 10/0300Z 21.7N 146.1W 65 KT 75 MPH
12H 10/1200Z 21.7N 147.6W 65 KT 75 MPH
24H 11/0000Z 21.5N 149.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
36H 11/1200Z 21.2N 151.5W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 12/0000Z 20.9N 153.7W 60 KT 70 MPH
72H 13/0000Z 19.9N 158.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
96H 14/0000Z 19.3N 163.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 15/0000Z 20.1N 168.8W 30 KT 35 MPH

$$
Forecaster R Ballard

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quote:
Originally posted by knieft

quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdgebut Aaron Rodgers is back in the game so I'm outta here for now...


Not gonna happen... Sad but me too.

Cheers,
Kirt


Unbelievable...
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How to find the ECMWF Model:

1) https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap
2) move the map to Hawaii
3) on the right side of the page at the bottom, close the ad
4) scroll down to Hurricanes / Typhoons, and Model Data, press the button for both
5) make sure ECMWF is selected
6) slide the opacity bar under Model Data to 0
7) you should now see the projected path for Olivia. Click the hurricane symbols to get info like wind speed

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OMG many pages later & EW finally AGREES with me about maountain passes.... What will become of us???

That science about the wind speed through and down mountain passes etc. seems logical. I'm a big fan of logic.

That being said, I still think there IS also something to be said of that knowledge the old kupuna was speaking of in the mountain mana that helps to fend of storms.

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Thanks for the link and instructions, HOTPE. The cyclocane storm track now shows increased winds at 35-64 mph, closer to your ECMWF.

https://www.cyclocane.com/olivia-storm-tracker/
Certainty will be the death of us.
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EW,

"That being said, I still think there IS also something to be said of that knowledge the old kupuna was speaking of in the mountain mana that helps to fend of storms."

Then please present the evidence that there is something to be said about it. I could tell you harvesting mangos in the morning helps fend of earthquakes, but I suspect you'd want me to provide some evidence to support my statement.
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