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As already mentioned multiple times, the Red Road to Pohoiki will clearly be re-established in the near term granting access to that large kipuka. It's the rest of the roads that may be in limbo for some time.
Also property rights aren't about houses or the status of a structure. As leilanidude hinted at, the courts have taken some extensive steps to solve land-locked property issues. It's unlikely the state or county can avoid the access issue for all of the inundated lots without condemnation proceedings, but they sure could drag their feet.
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How about Halekamahina Road or Noni Farms ?
There are a lot of roads off of 132 that still have homes on them.
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There is a difference, there were no houses left out there and the eruption was ongoing.
Actually, there were homes on the Hakuma Horst in Kalapana that were untouched by lava and remained isolated for quite some time. In fact the entire Kalapana event, and how roads were or weren't re-established may stand as a good example of how things might unfold as we go forward from here. Certainly people on both side of 130 as it goes through the area can tell a story of waiting a long time for anything at all. Royal Gardens might be a good guide as to how the county/state might precede regarding private roads in Kapoho.
That locked gate into the Beach Lots might stand in everyone's memory as a symbol, a giant icon really, of how that subdivision felt about their private road. And, probably help folks realize it is up to the community association to replace it. I mean come on. They wanted it private, right?
And.. btw.. the current eruption isn't over either. So all this talk is kind of pre-mature, isn't it?
But maybe I shouldn't post this... being a disruptive element and all.
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Well then we just fire up the D9's and do it ourselves.
What is the county or state going to do ?
They let a group of troublemakers block off access to the TMT ground breaking and more.
Think they would send in snipers to pick off the dozer operators ?
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how "land locked property" laws may come into play?
The "rules" only prohibit creation of landlocked lots -- and they're not really enforced anyway.
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btw.. the current eruption isn't over either.
Neither are the eruptions on Mauna Loa, Hualalai, or Haleakala considered extinct for that matter. And yet, their is a timeline for habitation in human years that we use as a guide, not geological time.
maybe I shouldn't post this... being a disruptive element
I don't think it's so much disruption, or playing devil's advocate, or stating a minority or unpopular view that's difficult for readers, especially people who have homes and property in the area. Nor is it an attempt to look at the Big Picture, by exploring and discussing more than just the wants and needs of the human residents in Lower Puna. All of that affects where we go from here.
I think, personally, it's when compassion and empathy are excluded from the observations and commentary, almost as if the concerns of people who live there don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, no more than dust in the wind. The worries, concerns, and challenges they face when trying to make life changing decisions are somehow unimportant. When they want to ask a government official a question from who (whom?) they might receive a satisfactory answer in human time, not geologic time, well, that's just too much to expect from the people who gladly accepted their tax dollars to pay their salary so they can live in a nice house and pay their own bills.
At the very least, they could make a Powerpoint presentation showing potential timelines, that is, if they've thought about it.
On Tuesday night, 9/18/2018 Hawaii Senator Mazie Hirono had another message for the Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee “Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing.” She added in another related comment, “Bull$hit.”
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"Well then we just fire up the D9's and do it ourselves. What is the county or state going to do ?"
They have various options to deal with vexatious citizens. The citations issued against lava viewers are their mildest option.
"They let a group of troublemakers block off access to the TMT ground breaking and more."
Those protestors got special consideration. Sensitivities were involved.
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There is a pretty good trail already from McKenzie to Pohoiki. Needs to level out a little bit but I am sure some locals with ATV’s could go down there and keep making the trail wider. I know of some amazing things being constructed on full moon nights.
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glinda: the current eruption isn't over either.
HotPE: Neither are the eruptions on Mauna Loa, Hualalai, or Haleakala considered extinct for that matter. And yet, their is a timeline for habitation in human years that we use as a guide, not geological time
I have no idea if the eruption is over, but let’s count the eruptions from 1955 to the present on the big island and then consider the timeline for habitation in human years.
Just like in 2014, once it "ends” the mindset is that it is all over. LERZ aside, Hualalai and Mauna Loa are overdue.
HotPE: All of that affects where we go from here.
Maybe not all of it, but some of it.
What we have here is a pave-as-you-go affair...
Cheers,
Kirt
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quote:
Originally posted by LazyLehua
There is a pretty good trail already from McKenzie to Pohoiki. Needs to level out a little bit but I am sure some locals with ATV’s could go down there and keep making the trail wider. I know of some amazing things being constructed on full moon nights.
Stacey
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That route is already slated for opening, no?
Cheers,
Kirt
