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I hereby resign my commission
I hope you enjoy a well deserved retirement kalakoa.
Finally, time to do all the things we on Punaweb can only dream of. Like find out which Mexican restaurant in East Hawaii is REALLY the best, ditto for Asian restaurant, and seeing what police officers do when they're not all huddled in a pack of 3 or 4 around an unregistered cruiser with no safety check.
Best wishes!
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Originally posted by Punaperson
- I've seen first hand coral reefs destroyed by rapidly rising ocean temperatures. I thought the bleaching damage done to reefs on the Kona side was bad. Seeing what has happened to the Great Barrier Reef is almost beyond words - mile after mile of death.
- Open-d has too much time on his hands if he can argue this much with people he denigrates as consistently as he does the people who live in Puna.
Coral Bleaching is natural-occurring process causes by stresses from a multitude of causes. To assume blithely that it is caused by man-caused rising ocean temperatures is disingenuous.
The earliest incidents of coral bleaching were over 200 million years ago. Bleached coral, BTW, are not dead, they have just kicked out the algae that lives inside them. It isn't a good thing, per se, but it isn't proof of man-made global warming either. Droughts can trigger coral bleaching by blowing dust out to sea that stresses the coral.
Or, perhaps, by Vog absorbed by the ocean water.
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Originally posted he who speaks nothing but lies born of ignorance
To assume blithely...
No assumptions here. Your stupidity is being well documented.
Instead of making foolish, inane, insults, why don't you post a counter-position that is rationally founded, and what, exactly, you would call for to "rectify" this "problem". When Algore has completely adopted all of your proposals, with no opt-outs or obfuscations, let me know!!!
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Open d,
I would appreciate it if you might figure out how to use the quite feature minimally.
Mahalo.
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I just want to point out that climate scientists do not rely on the temperature measured at O'Hare. Rather, they use measurements taken at thousands of sites throughout the world, most of them are not in cities, and include many in Hawaii. In addition, satellites are also used these days.
In the meantime, I still find it disappointing, but not surprising, that open-d will not address questions about his or her claims about an alleged lack of understanding by scientists of the sun and its influence on our climate. I'm starting to think that when the questions become too hard it's time for open-d to deflect and to move onto other claims.
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I already have. You offered 50 years of data, and I laughed until I cried.
The number of variables, including sun output, coverage of surface with heat-reflecting snow, on and on almost infinitely, make then entire matter overwhelming. Just look at the paths predicted by various models of the projected path of a hurricane. Some are all over the place.
If you want to live a tiny little life with a tiny little footprint, you are free to do so. Nobody, not I or anyone else, will stop you. But precious few will, including the really bad players in the pollution game. We've done our part to reduce emissions. Mother Nature will do what she does. For all you know, she will go colder and you'll be begging for more man made warming, from your igloo in Puna!!!
In the meantime, it is time to dial-back on the Chicken Little routine. We know what the real agenda is, and that "warming" is but pretense.
Your ilk never stop demanding concessions from us. Give up this, give up that. Hell, you poor enlightened ones have virtually no gun rights at all there, and are proud of it, for example. You always have a myriad of problem that only giving up some aspect of freedom will cure. You demanded we give up paper for plastic, now you want the plastic, then you'll want us to give up whatever replaces plastic, on and on, over and over until we finally give up to be the serfs you want us to be.
Go try to fool someone else into living a small life to save the climate from being the climate. I notice Algore isn't buying ANY of it. He just tries to sell it.
It's truly amazing. You guys complain how you are ignored and abused by the county, but want even more powerful players in government to treat you worse!! At least you're inconsistent.
So, in conclusion, I reiterate my total support for the bottling plant!!!
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@Paul "this supposedly Texas-sized garbage patch"
My bad, Paul, did I say it was Texas sized then you scoffed and doubted and raised issues about the link I added? (which was totally missing my point of too much plastic in our world so we obviously do not need more companies producing products which contain plastic)
Just this morning 1-15-19 KITV4 an ABC National news station announced that a large ocean cleaning device is coming to Hilo to help clean up the Pacific garbage patch which is, get this: TWICE THE SIZE OF TEXAS!!! (three exclamation points added intentional for another PunaWebber)
Again, my mistake, not Texas sized, twice Texas sized garbage patch. Go ahead and deny that and discredit ABC news as a not reputable company.
Okay here is the sarcasm for those that speak it here at PunaWeb:
Yeah that is just what we need here on our island, yet another company to put more plastic into our environment!!! Get the point now???
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Ugh, think of all the plastic particulate brought into Hilo bay by that malfunctioning contraption. The county should fine them big; I'm sure it'd make the national news! Civil defense should be out there on overtime supervising, and perhaps even battling the serpent Don Quixote style.
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Originally posted by he who speaks nothing but lies born of ignorance
In the meantime, it is time to dial-back on the Chicken Little routine. We know what the real agenda is, and that "warming" is but pretense.
What are you talking about? What Chicken Little routine? What "real agenda?" Seriously man, quit beating around the bush, what are you taking about?
I find your disparagement of others, your use of phrases meant to insult, to be a tactic you employee whenever you have nothing more concrete to add. When you do not know what you are talking about and need some sort of gimmick to keep everyone's attention on you. But, rather than just capturing our attention your insults serve to highlight your lack of even a rudimentary understanding of the issues we are discussing.
And then, when you do put anything forth it is the same talking points spread by breitbart and infowars, the same made up propaganda fed to the American public by Russian troll farms to sow discontent among us. You have yet to share any meaningful information on the subject, yet you dominate the discussion, endlessly. What is your point? Other than to insult us, to tell us how in your opinion we are all worthless people, what are you talking about?
There are reams of data that has been shared with the public about climate change. NASA's Orbiting Carbon Observatory 2 has been a remarkable windfall of data yet you have yet to acknowledge any of it. Even when links have been provided you belittle and demean the person who makes the post rather than actually giving them the respect of reading the information they share and commenting on it intelligently.
Some of us do read and consider what NASA and other researchers, including a large scientific community here, publish. We also have one of the best, extremely long, uninterrupted streams of atmospheric and solar observations on Earth continuously be collected right here on island, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. We are exposed to a lot of other material, published papers and discussions of research taking place, etc. around our dinner tables and at gatherings with our neighbors and friends that work in the field. And, almost all of us, in our lifestyles, are close to the ocean and witnessing firsthand the changes taking place along the shoreline. There is so much accumulated understanding of actual changes and the science behind them here that one would think you would appreciate our insights.
Yet you, Open d, rather than trying to find out if there is even a morsel of truth in what we say, you just browbeat anyone that says anything that doesn't conform to your beliefs. And yeah, I began treating everything you say like a joke because of your endless long winded diatribes. WTF man, does this tactic of yours go on forever? Do you plan on dominating all our discussions like this? Is this the new normal here on PW? He who is the biggest asshole is the best asshole? Is that what you want? If not, tell us, what do you want from us other than to tell us how f*cked up we are?
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