toxic big island school grounds

[ElysianWort]

and HOTPE

You're ignoring the fact that we are the guinea pig generation for Roundup. More results to be determined over time.

It's not just about Roundup, though you can focus on that if you like.

I'm talking about all the nasty chemicals used that soak into our Aina and endanger our children as in the situations talked about in the links I posted.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

all the nasty chemicals used that soak into our Aina

Do you know the difference between an element, a molecule, and a chemical compound? A mixture of chemical compounds? They are all different and affect the aina in different ways.

Arsenic is an element, it cannot be broken into smaller parts so must be physically removed, dug up and hauled away to get rid of it. That’s not true of DDT or Roundup.

[ElysianWort]

HOTPE As I have said before, I'm college educated and have studied organic chemistry, biochemistry and more.

Arsenic, an element, isn't approved in organic gardening. Neither is DDT or Roundup, which are chemical compounds. What is your point?

All I am saying is:
If we make a shift in our lifestyle and in gardening/farming techniques, maybe we can avoid these types of situations in the future where the EPA comes in and says looky-here, your soil (where your keiki is running around and possibly putting things in their mouth as keiki do) is contaminated by toxic chemicals. Or (for you HOTPE, so we are completely accurate,) toxic chemicals/ toxic elements.

[kalakoa]

Lead (Pb) and arsenic (As) are elements that won’t break down.

It's not the (toxic) elements' fault that they were dumped on the ground.

we are the guinea pig generation for Roundup

Anyone remember when smoking was considered healthful?

[terracore]

"Arsenic is a naturally occurring element that is widely distributed in soils and minerals. Humans are regularly exposed to small amounts of arsenic in the air we breathe, the water we drink and the plants we eat. Arsenic is used as a pesticide primarily to preserve wood from rot and decay. In the past, arsenic was also used in rat poisons, ant poisons and weed killers. Old agricultural soils may contain high levels of arsenic resulting from its former agricultural uses. Airborne arsenic particles can be inhaled and they can travel long distances in the air. Most forms of arsenic tend to stick to soil or sediment particles but some can dissolve in water, possibly leaching into lakes, rivers, or ground water. Burning, sawing or sanding arsenic-treated wood can increase the chance of inhaling arsenic. Long-term exposure to arsenic can increase the risk of cancer over a lifetime. Most arsenic compounds are not well absorbed by the skin so only small amounts are likely to get into your body through your skin."

http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/ptype/treatw...senic.html

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

What is your point?

My point refers to the expression “apples & oranges.”
Or in the context of Puna, papayas and mangos.
Yes, they are all fruit, but one is not the same as the other.

[ElysianWort]

I understand what you are posting. Are you skipping over my point?
Do you understand what I have said? It's all here on the previous page if you read over the posts. I don't need to reiterate.

Edited to change the word, "this" to words, "the previous"

[glassnumbers]

lol this is kind of an old, outmoded, outdated argument. We're past the point of being able to do a damn thing about pollution or poisoning. That's already done. We aren't on another planet, separate from all the TRILLIONS of tons of pollution human beings have been making. Nope. Everything is poisoned. Almost everything will die, we will survive and what few species we can keep going. The issue is no longer how to keep things going. Things will not keep going no matter what we do, its too late. Remember how that little island in the northern chain was consumed by that hurricane? That's whats coming. All that will be left of Hawai'i/Cali/Florida/etc, will be those high points that are above the new sea line. Now, the issue is learning how to stay alive in the new world.

Aloha

[ElysianWort]

Things will not keep going no matter what we do, its too late. Now, the issue is learning how to stay alive in the new world.


I happen to disagree with it being too late.

I don't see it instantly happening but if the world were to make changes things could improve.

It's the future generations I'm thinking about. Our children and children's children etc.

[glassnumbers]

How, though? the ice caps already melted. The sea levels are guaranteed to rise. We can't unmelt them.

Aloha