toxic big island school grounds

[PaulW]

"Electromagnetic radiation. Anyone want to profess to know the long term effects of the latest craze?"

Agreed, we should stop using electricity until it can be proven to be safe. Safety first.

[ElysianWort]

Rainyjim:
On the first page I posted those 4 links which are all slightly different versions of the same thing. I did four because in the past a certain someone would claim that the links I share come from an invalid source/ website so they are therefore "bunk".

But anyway in the fourth one by Hawaii Tribune Herald, there is some info about the use of arsenic as a weed killer. There might be some more info here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23178778

It states pretty clearly:

"Arsenical herbicides were used extensively for emergent weed control in Hawaiian sugar cane cultivation from 1913 to about 1950. As a result, surface soil arsenic concentrations average 280 mg kg(-1) across more than 60 km(2) of former sugar plantation land in the eastern portion of the Island of Hawaii."

But either way, if it was used as pest control on the land in which farming is to be done, then it still does not adhere to organic gardening rules. And back to my point of: If our grandfathers had been more careful and tried to do things in a more "pono" manner with the chemicals (or elements just for you hotpe) rather than not caring that it will toxify the soil then we would be a lot better off. And I disagree that a lot of us would have perished in the trade off as Paul suggested.

Also I find it interesting that you glassnumbers, think Hilo will be under water in 20 years. Maybe? If so, there are lots of other coastal cities across the world that will be inundated. Perhaps the ark is a good idea. What is the mechanical dutch arm for?

[leilanidude]

If our grandfathers had been more careful and tried to do things in a more "pono" manner with the chemicals (or elements just for you hotpe) rather than not caring that it will toxify the soil then we would be a lot better off.
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That was a "pono" manner at that time.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

If our forefathers had farmed "organically"

Most farming up until about 100 years ago would have been considered organic farming by today’s standards. There was also crop loss, infestations of locusts, famine...


I don't see how Hilo is going to survive the next 20 years

Sea level in Hilo might rise a foot or two in 20 years. Three to six feet by the year 2100. Most of Hilo will be above water. The greater risk will be from more frequent and stronger hurricanes. Sea level rise on Oahu will be a more significant factor as they have a larger area of low lying land than Big Island. Waikiki had been a swamp until it was drained.

[ElysianWort]

The native american Indians were said to have declined from a population of 60 million to 800 thousand by the time of the second world war. They had an "old world" style of farming that did not pollute, (organic gardening). They thrived. Humans could safely drink water from any American river. Columbus & European settlers changed all that. The Indian population declined. This is some food for thought.

Just saying that populations can thrive without all the technological advances that changed old world farming.

I'm sure plenty of you will laugh at the link I provide here and that is fine. Your choice to believe what you like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylfQtkDg

[My 2 cents]

"What is the mechanical dutch arm for?"

Bailing.

[glassnumbers]

sorry, i didn't realize this was better known. I'm referencing the Maeslantkering
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima...rzvjpg.jpg

This storm surge barrier was meant to supplement the low-lying country's numerous dikes and levees, keeping flood waters out of coastal towns and agricultural fields.


Aloha

[kalakoa]

Sea level in Hilo might rise a foot or two in 20 years.

Taxes to "study" the sea level will rise much faster.

Climate change won't kill Hilo, government will.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Humans could safely drink water from any American river.

In 1975 I went canoeing for two weeks in Boundary Waters Park between Minnesota & Canada. We didn’t carry a drop of water. When we were thirsty we scooped a drink out of the lake as we paddled.

Not many rivers on Big Island, but pre-contact residents still found enough water.

[MarkD]

Two posts:

1. "...everyone can stop blaming school staff for the students' poor performance, given that the heightened soil levels for these chemicals are known to impair physical and cognitive development."

2. "The use of lead in paint is just another example of us stupid humans...."

The Romans received extensive exposure to lead via their practice of using lead in pipes and drinking vessels. The cognitive results are speculated to have contributed to the downfall of the Romans. But they still performed at a very high level.

The British empire. Imagine the exposure to chemicals in London in 1600. But that society produced a never-ending roster of bright minds.

I'd hate to see the plight of our poor performing students in East Hawaii--and poor performing adults--be blamed on chemical exposure.

More likely exposures: Too much time getting high. Smoking ice and excessive amounts of marijuana by a variety of individuals. Lack of industriousness and work ethic in adults, which translates into the same for their children. Lack of interest in education. Etc, etc.