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Manhunt on Big Island
#21
Just ramming a suspect's car is dangerous and has even more unpredictable outcomes.

Wouldn't ramming a suspects car set off the airbags in the officer's car?
I've never been in a vehicle where they've been deployed, but I imagine it might be a temporary... distraction?
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#22
Okay Obie If the subsidized cop car is wrecked on duty maybe not a "free" new car around the corner but the officer doesn't pay for the replacement. Also the officers receive a stipend per month so I guess if the repairs are less than the stipend then it IS free, technically. So... what my friend told me about the privately owned cars and what I wrote wasn't entirely untrue.

Here's a link:

"if the subsidized vehicle is damaged during an on-duty incident, the department will arrange for a replacement vehicle, or it can reassign the officer."

http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/artic...ls?id=1914
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#23
" the department will arrange for a replacement vehicle"

It's a temporary replacement until their own car is repaired or they (the officer ) buys a new one.

The county mechanics do not work on the officers private cars.
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#24
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

Wouldn't ramming a suspects car set off the airbags in the officer's car?
I've never been in a vehicle where they've been deployed, but I imagine it might be a temporary... distraction?

Yes it would very likely go off with a ramming. Probably not with a PIT maneuver. I've set off several air bags. Yes, that can be distracting. Not as distracting as the bull taking out the windshield, the tree or the deer that took out the front end. If you intentionally and violently ram another vehicle it would be with the anticipation and confidence that that act would terminate the pursuit. It would also very likely be considered an act of deadly force so it would have to be a situation where deadly force was justified. Not so with a PIT maneuver as it's not considered a crash or ramming, although a PIT gone bad can end up that way. While you train for PITs with the intention of NOT causing vehicle damage, in real life there is almost always bumper of quarter panel damage.

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#25
Also fleet vehicles usually have push bars in front. .. where none of these cars do. Might make a difference as far as impacts go.
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#26
It's easy for keyboard warriors to be critical of police officers doing their job, but much harder to step into their shoes and do any better.

Use of private vehicles saves money so it can be used to keep more officers on the road.

Situations like this are rare in the county and we shouldn't design the entire police force around dealing with this kind of situation. While the morons who commit these crimes may be free for the short term, they eventually get caught. The more troubling question is why a guy with this kind of record was free in the first place.

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#27
Use of private vehicles saves money so it can be used to keep more officers on the road.

If they get a stipend + reimbursement for repairs, how is it "cheaper"?
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#28
how is it "cheaper"?

Assuming three eight hour shifts in a day:

Private vehicles = 3 cars for 3 shifts
Fleet vehicles, shared, 1 car for 3 shifts = 1 car

I’ve never worked for the PD, so please correct those numbers if wrong.

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#29
please correct those numbers

I forgot that it's impossible to maintain fleet vehicles on the island (see also: Hele-On).

Fleet vehicles, shared, 1 car for 3 shifts = 1 car

1 car in use + 1 car in the shop = 2 cars. Which is still less cars.
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#30
impossible to maintain fleet vehicles

"Theoretically" it should be easier (theorems as comedy shtick). Fleet cars are generally the same model. If one gets wrecked or damaged you have a parts car. Some of the subsidized police vehicles I see on the road are not standard option pick-one-out-of-the-dealers-lot-today models. Parts can't always be a same day commodity.

(Off topic - - I saw my first Tesla in Hilo Monday - - the entire roof was tinted glass. That ain't no moon roof, that's a sky roof.)
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