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Poll: Do You Believe Alien Life Exists?
88.28% (1,845 votes) - Yes - We may not have found them yet, but they're out there.
7.08% (148 votes) - I’m not sure
4.64% (97 votes) - No - Aliens are just part of science fiction.
Our resident PunaWeb scientist already stated earlier in a previous thread that he is part of the 4.64%. He put people believing in aliens in the same category as flat-earthers.
I'm guessing he thinks that entire youtube link you posted, Hapunatic, is fake.
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Let me make a prediction: TomK will place himself among the 88.28%.
All youtube alien videos are fake, is there any limit to your gullibleness?
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" Our resident PunaWeb scientist already stated earlier in a previous thread that he is part of the 4.64%. He put people believing in aliens in the same category as flat-earthers."
EW, I do not appreciate you putting words into my mouth, it's a disingenuous and dishonest form of debate. If you could be bothered to read back in this very thread, you'll see that I have written:
" Yes, one of the biggest areas in astrophysics right now is the search for habitable planets and the search for extra-terrestrial life. One of the main missions of the TMT is to detect atmospheres on exoplanets that could support life as well as looking for indications of actual life.
Obviously, scientists are doing this because they don't think there's any chance of life elsewhere in the universe."
and
" And there are planned future missions to Mars, some of them using the mountains in Hawaii to test their vehicles, to determine if life ever existed on Mars or still does. Done by accredited scientists and engineers with their head stuck in the sand and not believing life can exist somewhere else other than on the earth. Makes you wonder why they do that."
You'll note that Hapunatic's link - https://www.space.com/breakthrough-liste...lease.html - is also to a site describing how astronomers are trying to find alien life in the Galaxy. The article features a survey asking about the possibility of alien life elsewhere, and like just about every other astronomer, I believe it's almost certain there is life elsewhere in the universe. And finally, I'm personally involved with research going on right now into the planetary system around TRAPPIST-1 which has three Earth-sized planets in the habitable zone and are candidate exoplanets for trying to detect alien life.
I would appreciate an apology for your complete and deliberate misrepresentation of my position.
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" gullibleness"
That's a new word for me. Perhaps you mean "gullibility"? 
PS. It's also easier to pronounce...
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stated earlier in a previous thread
The key words above were overlooked. PREVIOUS THREAD
awhile back all the conspiracy theories were grouped together in a paragraph by our scientist: flat-earthers, different types of aliens, (I think you called one type "the grays", 911, I believe bigfoot was in there and a few others. I will not forget that. I'm sure others remember too.
I have simply been challenged in digging out of the PW vaults. It's in there. can't find it quickly. Not sure of the thread but I looked a bit for it.
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ElysianWort - glassnumbers has provided a good description of contrails, a phenomenon that has been known about for decades - there are pictures of aircraft during WWII producing long-lasting contrails as planes flew higher and higher. Helicopters here don't produce contrails as they fly too low, but certainly produce short-lived versions, just visit Hilo airport in high-humidity conditions, the rotor blades produce them.
Chemtrails are a product of a nutty conspiracy theory that developed in the mid-1990s once the kookier amongst us discovered how to use the internet to spread their ideas, and unfortunately, it just keeps getting worse. The chemtrail conspiracy theory claims governments are using regular airliners to spray the world's population with chemicals for a number of reasons, most kooks these days seem to think it's to control our minds, but theories include population control and weather modification. There is, of course, little to no evidence for this, and using Occam's razor, I hope you understand that contrails are the more likely explanation - and I say that using a little British understatement.
On another note, although I hate the helicopter noise, I have never smelled them.
PS. Chas - I hope you don't mind me using the term "kook", but it's exactly what these people are. Chemtrails, Rods, psychics, astrologers, flat-earthers, 911 conspiracists, greys, lizard people, cubic-box nuts etc. Whether you like it or not, skeptics and scientists are going to show that kooks post nonsense whether it hurts your sensibilities or not, and for good reason.
Edited by - TomK on 10/09/2018 23:40:23
Ah and there it is. categorizing people that believe in aliens as "kooks" and putting them in the same cracker-jack box as people believing in a flat earth.
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categorizing people that believe in aliens as "kooks"
EW,
I think this is a matter of terminology.
UFO means unidentified flying object. You can believe unidentified objects have been seen without accepting those objects are necessarily or definitively flying saucers.
Aliens are life forms from outside planet Earth. You can believe other life forms and their civilizations might exist without agreeing lizard people fly to Earth and bring humans onboard the saucer for an anal probe.
One is an undiscovered possibility.
The other is an unproven claim or assertion as fact.
Make America Normal Again (or at least slightly more normal)
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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Well, ElysianWort, perhaps you believe in grey aliens (visiting us from the Andromoda galaxy and really called Zeta Reticulans) and the lizard people who are blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system (a species which includes Hilary and Bill Clinton, members of the UK royal family, Henry Kissinger and Bob Hope). The person who promotes this rubbish, David Icke, also prefers to be known as the son of the god-head and would dress only in turquoise to prove his point. I'm quite sure there are many who believe this stuff but a lot more might consider these ideas somewhat kooky.
I still welcome an apology from you for your disingenuous misrepresentation of my position.
Edited to avoid confusion about who I'm addressing.
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Really! Hawaii related? Punatalk has fallen into dismal straits with topics like this. Do you need another disaster to be relavent? Aloha
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Some of us tried to make the thread Hawaii-related earlier on but weren't very successful.
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