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So, if you're defining marginalization as "no longer ruling the land" I agree, but the statehood vote (and 125 years under US rule) makes me think most people have moved on from that. We live in a democracy where anyone can run for office, speak or protest, use the courts, etc. What would the alternative look like? Would it be better, fairer, more inclusive, more prosperous?
Part of not being marginalized is convincing others that your way is better. Say some fraction of 200,000 native Hawaiians believe in making Mauna Kea kapu to more telescopes. Being generous, say it's 50%, or 100,000, instead of the 25% in the 2018 survey. So 100,000 people have to convince the other 1,300,000 people living here that they know better, they should be in charge, their religious views are the right ones, there should be kapu on building on mountains, that our economy can afford to pass up hundreds of millions of dollars over the next few decades. Do you think that would fly? Do you think the other 1.3 million people living here should not have a say?
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Our economy isn't any more dependent on TMT than it was on Sugar. Forward thinking people consider being food and energy independent to be of greater importance.
We now have our first amendment to protect peaceful demonstrations; just like the "primitives" had protections. If they didn't like the way their leaders were ruling, they were free to move to a more desirable Ahupua'a (just as punawhiners are) ....Oh, and the "savages" were food and energy independent for centuries before "civilized" white people arrived.
Remember the primary reason the U.S. is entrenched here; Military/industrial domination driven by corporate greed. It's not really a "freedom and justice for all" thing.
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Snorkle, I don't disagree with any of your points on the ideals of food and energy independence, or on the USA's motivations for being here in the first place. We also may not be dependent on TMT revenue, but with part of lower Puna decimated and tourism down we need some new money coming into the economy, no?
In any case, you kinda dodged my questions. I would really like to hear your answers. I'm not totally opposed to full or partial independence, just to racist, theocratic, or non-democratic aspects. This is my home now too, along with 1.4 million other good people that had nothing to do with events 125 years ago.
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We all evolved from Africa. Those that stayed had darker skin.
My ancestors fled what become Germany because of religious persecution.
I don't understand the point of shutting down access anymore, the Oppressed Hawaiian's have everyone's attention.
Let's all work together to correct the injustice but don't sacrifice the best telescope in the world on the best location in the world .
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Sovereignty has much more to do with culture than race. It's always laughable when the victims of racism are portrayed as racist.
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I came to the conclusion that the primary reason the U.S. is entrenched here is because Hawaii is one of the 50 states.
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I have been called an Effing haole more times than you can imagine.
That isn't racist ?
The last time was at Carlsmith Beach Park when I suggested very nicely that dogs are not allowed there and the least these park users could do is pick up the dog crap !
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You are the one responsible. We live in a Republic. Elect your representatives wisely. Hopefully they will do things within the scope of law. If not vote someone else. Or run yourself.
Stop expecting different results by doing the same thing over and over.
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"It's always laughable when the victims of racism are portrayed as racist"
Laughable.... no It is sad. What is on display here is not so much stupidity as it is ignorance. I have to constantly remind myself that I have lived here a long time while others have not. Not quite as old as the rocks on Mauna Kea, but I have been walking this beautiful Aina for a long time.
The population has grown, so many from the mainland that did not experience the 70's. We were busy building our lives and having fun!
Then there was thing called "Hawaiian Renaissance". We all got a dose of history and reality . Once you understand, you simply can not UN-understand. Everything will continually be viewed for me at least, thru this lens.
This is a State in a Republic now............but there is still the issue of Ceded lands & our fellow indigenous occupants of this Island.
They've been screwed by the State Government and that is root cause.
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Originally posted by reni
They've been screwed by the State Government and that is root cause.
Feet to the fire. Politicians and bureaucrats worse fear is loosing power. Their second worse fear is criminal prosecution. Change to government comes from the bottom up, never top down. Grassroots to show the criminality will gain support of fellow islanders. Everyone deserves a fair shake. Right?
