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"Soviet airspace was/is sacred according to Gromyko. The passengers and crew of KAL007 paid for their intrusion with their lives. I hope Mauna Kea doesn't pass that threshold where murder becomes justified."
or mustard gas! What a horrible mistake the mayor made .
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Carey nailed it. If one really believes in their argument, what they are saying is that telescopes can't be built anywhere. No mountain is more "sacred" than another, it's only the point of view of the person stating their opinion."
no arguing with the logic......but I believe the original story was that the indigenous were not opposed to TMT being built on Canary Island & It was very surprising to me to read the recent stories of opposition by environmental groups.
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only the point of view of the person stating their opinion
Just another way to NIMBY, really.
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"Just another way to NIMBY, really."
And what is wrong with this? Really! Do we have any influence on what Chile does ? Maine, Texas?
Hellp....I can't stand the news from Oahu, part of MY State, once MY Island...
But what could little ol' me do about it? I miss what it was and Oahu has become more & more unrecognizable.
What influence do each of us have in our own backyard? Well, none of course if we choose not to exercise it. I do stand up for certain issues here....but even standing up for the Puna community can be a full time job, not to mention the rest of the East side.
I believe we ALL should stand up for some small corner of our community and also believe what the protesters are saying is much more complex than NIMBY.
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I think the real issue is the government here is incompetent and self-serving and perpetuates a welfare state that leads to lots of people with dim prospects and low self-esteem. People in that situation are more susceptible to radical causes, because it gives their lives meaning and shifts the blame for failure.
Back to the topic, though, the most sacred mountains in the world are the Mons Veneris. They can be found on every continent, though you may venture there only with the permission of their keepers.
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I miss what it was and Oahu has become more & more unrecognizable.
Many people seem to believe that there was once an ideal time in a perfect place where everything was just fine and if we could just turn back time and freeze the world at exactly that point ... how wonderful and happy it would all be.
Unfortunately our experience of time is trapped in a linear progression. There is no going in the direction we would think of as "back".
The real problem is obviously that too many people live here. We should have a cap on the total population. Right after my friends move here.
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I miss what it was
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There is no going in the direction we would think of as "back".
The good old days are a subjective memory, often a misremembered memory.
but I believe the original story was that the indigenous were not opposed to TMT being built on Canary Island
Yes, and the protestors' grasp of history left out a certain detail. The Spanish killed the original occupants of the Canary Islands leaving little possibility for opposition to anything some centuries later. That's the real deal in oppression and colonization, not "sign here."
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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"Unfortunately our experience of time is trapped in a linear progression. There is no going in the direction we would think of as "back"."
So we should all go back to whatever island we came from?
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The Spanish killed the original occupants of the Canary Islands
Yes, but that place and those people aren't sacred to these people here. Whatever happened there doesn't matter, much in the same way it doesn't matter who dies elsewhere so we can put cheap gas in our cars here.
The world marches on regardless. Keep up or become obsolete.
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This quote is not true!
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
but I believe the original story was that the indigenous were not opposed to TMT being built on Canary Island
Yes, and the protestors' grasp of history left out a certain detail. The Spanish killed the original occupants of the Canary Islands leaving little possibility for opposition to anything some centuries later. That's the real deal in oppression and colonization, not "sign here."
Just a quick reference check is all that it takes to find the proof!
"Quantitative admixture approaches, using the aboriginal sample as a parental contributor, showed that the Guanches constitute 42–73% of the present day Canarian maternal gene pool."
"Ancient mtDNA analysis and the origin of the Guanches"
https://www.nature.com/articles/5201075
Hard to believe that some people will make up this stuff without researching. If they did take the time to research, well, they would waste a lot less of all of our time!
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Hard to believe that some people will make up this stuff without researching. If they did take the time to research, well, they would waste a lot less of all of our time!
Our new state motto?
New bumper stickers?
Our epitaph?
Probably a lot more witticisms to be had but I’m sleepy...
