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Contractor integrity
#1
Hi everyone,

I want to share an experience which I hope will save you some grief and money.

- The job – D9 dozing of a lot in HPP. The lot was already ripped and was being built upon but a corner had to be finished (probably about ¼ acre).

- The rate - 250/hour

- The operator - a most experienced operator in town with over 30 yrs experience. I actually found the dozer owner and operator on this forum (highly recommended). They were professional and nice to deal with.

- Job quality – good; did a decent job grading and filling in a large hole on the lot. We even referred folks to him and considered using his company for concrete, rock wall, and other jobs for our future projects.

- The cost - ~4100. This is high but we opted for the hourly rate since it was recommended. Besides, we stand by our word and a contract is a contract.

- The issue – The invoice tabulated the hours worked over a day and a half but the arithmetic was wrong (8+5 = 15). While we did not notice the discrepancy after paying the bill, it was obvious after our internal audit. We’d normally overlook that but the overage amounted to $500. That’s a payment for 2 cars or groceries for 6 weeks or….
This is not an issue with the operator but the owner.

- We attempted to recoup the overage by bring up the discrepancy to the contractor. We were offered a ‘how about we spilt the difference?’ Many weeks later and after several calls (we never got return calls and had to initiate each one), we were told that that we were charged the correct figure and that we did not deserve a cent back.

I consider it a lesson to look over every detail and to not trust every nice guy who comes around. I’m not sure if I should go the small claims route or just file a complaint with the appropriate regulatory folks (for the principle). Either way, I wanted to share this experience so that you can avoid the same fate.


Noel
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#2
Forget the complaint, both BBB and RICO will take two years and they both are powerless in a situation like this. (RICO can revoke licenses for major things.) Go to Small Claims Court, it costs $35. BTW, $4,100 for 1/4 acre is way too high.

Aloha,
John S. Rabi, ABR,CM,CRB,FHS,PB,RB
http://www.JohnRabi.com
Typically Tropical Properties
75-5870 Walua Road, Suite 101
Kailua-Kona, HI 96740
(808)327-3185
This is what I think of the Kona Board of Realtors: http://www.nsm88.org/aboutus.html

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#3
Hi John,
Thanks for the recommendation.

It is high - I paid a little over that to rip and prep 1 acre. To be fair, the operator 'walked' over some of the ripped areas to break down the rock further.

As I said - I stood by my promise to pay by the hour. There are other things that I will and will not do in the future as a result of the experience.

I hope all is well with you on the Kona side.

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Forget the complaint, both BBB and RICO will take two years and they both are powerless in a situation like this. (RICO can revoke licenses for major things.) Go to Small Claims Court, it costs $35. BTW, $4,100 for 1/4 acre is way too high.

Aloha,
John S. Rabi, ABR,CM,CRB,FHS,PB,RB
http://www.JohnRabi.com
Typically Tropical Properties
75-5870 Walua Road, Suite 101
Kailua-Kona, HI 96740
(808)327-3185



Noel
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#4
Noel,
Rob Tucker hasn't, at least not that I've noticed, edited out anyone's complaints regarding contractors or other work. Wasn't it just a month ago or so there was a posting that scorched a kit-home outfit? I noticed that the exchanges in that thread resulted in the refunding of the full amount to the guy who complained. Unless there's something I'm missing, why not bring up the name and let the rest of us decide whether we'll deal with this contractor?

I'd appreciate it,
Brian
Aloha pumehana,
Brian and Mary
Lynnwood, WA\Discovery Harbour
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#5
I like to put my two cents in on negativity... lets not.

I dont know Noel's situation to know how justified it is.... that said in other situations there have been two sides. Unless the person was here to defend themselves, I dont think we should be negative.

If you have to know who it is - maybe email him privately.



Edited by - kapohocat on 10/16/2006 16:40:16
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#6
Hi folks,

I’m hesitant to debate the issue with the contractor in this forum because it is generally counterproductive and I have so many other priorities to tend to. I may make this person pay via a formal small claim case or by taking my future business elsewhere and avoiding recommending him.

My intention is to educate (ok... I wanted to vent as well). The point is that not paying attention to detail can be costly.

Let me reiterate that the issue for me is purely related to the way the overpayment (due to error in calculation) issue was handled. The good service ended after I handed over the payment.

Aloha.

Noel

Edited by - Noel M2 on 10/17/2006 20:09:45
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#7
Hi Noel,

Thanks for the insight to your posting, I think thats a good thing to always be checking for everything before any final payments.....I thought also that paying for these type of projects are better on an hourly basis vs per project. If your not personally on site to monitor progress than it is more imparative to check everything afterwards prior to final payment and review all the documentation/invoicing....that old adage that once you have made a final payment its always harder to get someone on site for free to make any corrections - sorry that you had a bad experience and your posting to warn others is commendable so we can learn from each others mistake which this building forum is all about.

noel

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#8
Ron Nickels and I had this same conversation about recommendations...

Ron as most of you in building know is the main wastewater (civil engineer) designer for this side.... He has a recommendation or prefered sheet and he hands it out. He revises it occassionally as needed. That way he doesnt say anything negative. He reinforces that his preferences are on the list, but you may use anyone who is licensed.

-Cat
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#9
Now he is a guy the pleasure to work with!

Aloha,
John S. Rabi, ABR,CM,CRB,FHS,PB,RB
http://www.JohnRabi.com
Typically Tropical Properties
75-5870 Walua Road, Suite 101
Kailua-Kona, HI 96740
(808)327-3185
This is what I think of the Kona Board of Realtors: http://www.nsm88.org/aboutus.html

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#10
Ron is the bomb as an engineer. Cat, you have a pretty good list of recommended craftspeople as well.

John Dirgo, RA, ABR, e-PRO
Island Trust Properties, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.hawaiirealproperty.com
John Dirgo, R, PB, EcoBroker, ABR, e-PRO
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
http://www.bigislandvacationrentals.com
http://www.maui-vacation-rentals.com
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