Wuhan Corona Virus Coming Soon? (Now Here)

[kalakoa]

working with the CDC ... called for suspending flights to Japan and Korea ...

Promising efforts but neither is substantive action.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

If you haven't yet picked up a bottle of hand sanitizer as part of your 14 day COVID-19 survival kit, CVS has reported potential stock shortages looming:

Demand for products like hand sanitizers, face masks and cleaning wipes has spiked, according to CVS (CVS), Walgreens (WBA) and others. CVS warned it may cause supply shortages.
"This demand may cause temporary shortages at some store locations and we re-supply those stores as quickly as possible," a spokesperson for CVS said.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/business/...index.html

Panic Level (on a scale of 1-5): [:0][:0]

[Guest]

I wonder where a bottle of hand sanitizer is manufactured? Could it be, by chance, China?

[kander]

You could always make the sanitizer at home and there are at least 100 different ways to do it via your favorite search engine Duckduckgo []
https://www.thoughtco.com/make-your-own-...zer-606145

[terracore]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china...SKCN20M124

Explainer: Coronavirus reappears in discharged patients, raising questions in containment fight

SHANGHAI/LONDON (Reuters) - A growing number of discharged coronavirus patients in China and elsewhere are testing positive after recovering, sometimes weeks after being allowed to leave the hospital, which could make the epidemic harder to eradicate.

On Wednesday, the Osaka prefectural government in Japan said a woman working as a tour-bus guide had tested positive for the coronavirus for a second time. This followed reports in China that discharged patients throughout the country were testing positive after their release from the hospital.

An official at China’s National Health Commission said on Friday that such patients have not been found to be infectious.

Experts say there are several ways discharged patients could fall ill with the virus again. Convalescing patients might not build up enough antibodies to develop immunity to SARS-CoV-2, and are being infected again. The virus also could be “biphasic”, meaning it lies dormant before creating new symptoms.

But some of the first cases of “reinfection” in China have been attributed to testing discrepancies.

On Feb. 21, a discharged patient in the southwestern Chinese city of Chengdu was readmitted 10 days after being discharged when a follow-up test came back positive.

Lei Xuezhong, the deputy director of the infectious diseases center at the West China Hospital, told People’s Daily that hospitals were testing nose and throat samples when deciding whether patients should be discharged, but new tests were finding the virus in the lower respiratory tract.

Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at Britain’s University of East Anglia who has been closely following the outbreak, told Reuters that although the patient in Osaka could have relapsed, it is also possible that the virus was still being released into her system from the initial infection, and she wasn’t tested properly before she was discharged.

The woman first tested positive in late January and was discharged from the hospital on Feb. 1, leading some experts to speculate that it was biphasic, like anthrax.

A Journal of the American Medical Association study of four infected medical personnel treated in Wuhan, the epicenter of the epidemic, said it was likely that some recovered patients would remain carriers even after meeting discharge criteria.

In China, for instance, patients must test negative, show no symptoms and have no abnormalities on X-rays before they are discharged.

Allen Cheng, professor of infectious diseases epidemiology at Monash University in Melbourne, said it wasn’t clear whether the patients were re-infected or had remained “persistently positive” after their symptoms disappeared. But he said the details of the Japan case suggested the patient had been reinfected.

Song Tie, vice director of the local disease control center in southern China’s Guangdong province, told a media briefing on Wednesday that as many as 14% of discharged patients in the province have tested positive again and had returned to hospitals for observation.

He said one good sign is that none of those patients appear to have infected anyone else.

“From this understanding ... after someone has been infected by this kind of virus, he will produce antibodies, and after these antibodies are produced, he won’t be contagious,” he said.

Normally, convalescing patients will develop specific antibodies that render them immune to the virus that infected them, but reinfection is not impossible, said Adam Kamradt-Scott, a specialist in infectious diseases at the University of Sydney.

“In most cases though, because their body has developed an immune response to the first infection, the second infection is usually less severe,” Kamradt-Scott said.

Other experts have also raised the possibility of “antibody-dependent enhancement”, which means exposure to viruses might make patients more at risk of further infections and worse symptoms.

China has so far discharged 36,117 patients, according to data from the National Health Commission released on Friday, which represents almost 46% of the total cases on the Chinese mainland. If the 14% rate of reinfection is accurate and remains consistent, it could pose a wider health risk.

“I would say that it is less about if it is possible that re-infection can occur than how often it occurs,” Cheng said.

[Guest]

Hand sanitizer is 60 alcohol.. it's easy to make.. buy alcohol, use..

But, of course, if you want to get fancy, spend more money, and add something to make it a more pleasant experience.. kitchen chemistry is fun!

[ironyak]

kalakoa - Promising efforts but neither is substantive action.

They've already told you the most important thing you need to know - you are on your own. What else really is there to do or say?

All this other back-and-forth, your feigned surprise, my word plays, the rabbit-hole explorations of alternative possibilities, the official mixed-messages and censoring of truth to save face and protect ego, it's all just entertainment, a modern-day ring-around-the-rosie to pass the time until reality comes knocking.

Seems like kids get it - maybe always have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x1aLAw_xkY

[terracore]

"Hand sanitizer is 60 alcohol.. it's easy to make.. buy alcohol, use."

Ethanol is considered more effective than isopropyl alcohol. Most of the other "alcohols" exist because people can't drink them and they aren't regulated by the ATF:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/

[ironyak]

It seems however that 70% ethyl alcohol is also like 10x more expensive? However if you have 140+ proof alcohol around (like some Everclear versions, yum) it would work, just don't go thinking that 80 proof bottom shelf vodka or whisky is killing anything other than your liver.

Can always put those excess ti plants in the backyard to work - okolehao seems to have some promise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okolehao
"Some full-strength okolehaos were and are made at a proof up to 130 proof, 65% alcohol by volume, the proof obtainable by most illegal pot stills in a single pass."

[kander]

the amount of alcohol required is dependent on time the virus is in the solution. 20% will kill it, just a little more slowly. 90% will do a lovely job for instantaneous contact. This is the reason beer was used for centuries for a source of safe hydration because the Alcohol, even low levels of alcohol prevented growth of nasties.