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We're Doomed
#81
we're at least in the top 10 for suckage.

The above statement is true for a variety of reasons but IMO one of the top reasons is because as a whole Americans are extremely unhealthy. Super high rates of obesity and other self inflicted illnesses. From diet and lifestyle. As they say underlying health conditions worsen the sickness and increase hospitalization rates for those stricken with cv19.
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#82
It had been estimated that 140,000 hospital beds would be needed in NY for peak of coronavirus outbreak, yet "only" 18,500 were in use as of today.

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, seemed to agree and congratulated Mr. Cuomo and his counterparts on Friday for having slowed the tide of infections in their states.

“That has dramatically changed because of the impact of what the citizens of New York and New Jersey and across Connecticut and now Rhode Island are doing to really change the course of this pandemic,” Dr. Birx said.
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#83
Meanwhile the beaches are open in Georgia...
Assume the best and ask questions.

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#84
I thought the Maddow piece was more interesting for some of the state-to-state comparisons.

Have you seen the Topos data set yet? This one presents data by county rather than state-to-state, the map is at:

https://covid19.topos.com

and can be changed to show data in a few different ways..

Total number of cases, daily change in cases, deaths per capita, total deaths.. and a bunch of other demographic info if one wants.

Scary stuff. Lucky we live Hawaii.
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#85
hokuili - Have you seen the Topos data set yet? This one presents data by county rather than state-to-state, the map is at: https://covid19.topos.com

It's new to me - thanks! Interesting visualization to see where covid and demographic factors such as race, income, health conditions, etc overlap. So much data - need more eyeballs!

Here's an interesting one for comparing countries - scroll down for the grid of small multiples (for fans of Tufte) that compares most countries and where they are in their curve. Allows one to make quick comparisons and spot outliers.
https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/global/

Like South Africa - what is going on there? Given the large HIV prevalence (~1 in 5 adults are positive) this was predicted to be a disaster, but it appears they've largely stomped down the curve for now, which is good. Lots of interesting surprises.

On the other hand, the US is still aiming high compared to other countries - note we never got a star marking a national lockdown...
https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1248096622010978304
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#86
The crime rate, and street sales of drugs have dropped in the US, and around the world:

The U.S. virus epicenter in New York saw major crimes — murder, rape, robbery, burglary, assault, grand larceny and car theft — decrease by 12% from February to March. In Los Angeles, 2020 key crimes statistics were consistent with last year’s figures until the week of March 15, when they dropped by 30%.

“There’s a lot fewer opportunities for criminals to take advantage of,” said Joe Giacalone, a former New York Police Department sergeant who now teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “Most burglars, they wait for you to leave the house.”


https://apnews.com/bbb7adc88d3fa067c5c1b5c72a1a8aa6
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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#87
Imagine if he had been listened to...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020...tn-vpx.cnn

Remember, this really happened, America really did try to be prepared.. This is really our history. We tried.
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#88
Back to food - thousands of cars lined up at food banks around the country. Modern day soup lines?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/0...oronavirus

Meanwhile, tons of food are being disposed of as the just-in-time supply chains break down and commercial scale packagers, distributors, and buyers like restaurants are missing in action.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/05...mic-164557

Supply - check. Demand - check. Enough food getting to enough people - nope. Things might be more complicated and concerning than some imagine...
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#89
Things might be more complicated and concerning than some imagine...

Much of the milk in this country went to school lunch programs.
Schools are closed.
Kids still have to eat.
The distribution network for farm > dairy > school can’t be adapted quickly, overnight, so the milk is dumped.
This increases demand for dairy and other products at the grocery stores from the parents of kids not in school, but not enough to offset school and restaurant declines.

“There’s no way to offset how much loss we’re seeing with school closings and food-service demand in the form of cheese and butter, just because someone’s buying an extra gallon of milk,” one dairy supplier said of the crisis.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marleycoyne...ec39545581

Fish is sold mainly to restaurants.
Same distribution problems. I talked to a fisherman this morning, there’s such a glut of fish at the remaining markets they’re getting offered $.20-.40 a pound, which doesn’t even cover their cost of gas.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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#90
Schools are closed.

True, although many like Pahoa DOE schools and HAAS are still providing meals including breakfast and lunch (which must include a milk for the schools to be reimbursed). This will drop off over the summer, of course, so hopefully other commercial scale providers will be back in action by then.

In the meantime, many restaurants are turning into retail grocery providers as well to help fill the economic & supply gap as well. (Luquins is in good company making grab-and-go boxes from commercial supplies)

https://apnews.com/463cb13bee7f283994b586ee1401a3ca

"Restaurant operators aren’t sure if grocery sales will continue once the pandemic passes. Panera sees this as “kind of a tipping point to see what our customers need,” Burnett said.

Gulliford said the future is especially difficult to predict during this unprecedented time.

“It just really depends on what the new normal is,” she said."
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