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well i have a couple of comments about jorden
he comes off like an independent(seems like lingle and lot of republicans like to do this, remember how bush was so centrist during his 2000 campaign), however i have been reading his column in the puna news for quite some time, and he lets his true colors come thru at times, just recently he was against the "social programs" that were put in place decades ago to help the working class, which i can only interpet great programs like social security, which as we know most republicans are against and would like to do away with it, privatizing is their first step. if he was so independent and not a supporter of the republican agenda then why run as one? after witnessing what their agenda is when they control all branches of goverment(federal)i wouldn't vote for one of them if my life depended on it.they always say how they're for the schools ,who isn't? i could go on and give further examples of why i won't vote for jorden but i don't want to come across as a basher, lol!
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Yah Beachboy, I'll vote for Josh! At least we know he motivated by pizza!
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I started off this thread with some observations on candidates, and I have to say the overall levels of civility and thoughtfulness have been fantastic.
Now I am going to give my take on the two major parties in Hawaii and see if others have the same impressions. I will be honest enough to say that throughout my adult life, I have generally voted Democratic, with some notable exceptions when presented with unsupportable (in my view) Democratic candidates. Here goes.
REPUBLICAN
These guys seem to have distanced themselves from Bush, the neocons, the political evangelicals, and the right wing of the party long before those groups became unpopular. When I first looked at Linda Lingle's platform, I thought, "Is this woman really a Republican?" She IS pro-business, but so are a lot of Democrats. Have Republicans in Hawaii always been of the highly endangered moderate wing? Are their occasional statements of support for the national party and Bush just lip-service? I have to wonder.
DEMOCRATS
If the weather wasn't so nice, I would think it was Massachusetts. Local, state, and federal elected officials seem to reliably stick to the traditional liberal-labor union-ethnic axis. The lock-step liberal stance is not unique, though, and people stuck in Red States often wish for it. There seems,however, to be a back-room elite who feel it is their God-given right to decide which candidates to put forward. When Ed Case decided to run for the Senate, all we heard for the first week or two was how rude and disrespectful it was for him not to "wait his turn" as Rob puts it. Monopolies on power and access to the candidate process often result in corruption.
Wow, that was a lot of words.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Wow, that was a fair and respectful opinion, as valid as anyone elses. So why is this thread so civil? Someone put a spell on it? 
I support Josh's platform!
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Richwhiteboy
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OK Jerry, I'll add my 2 cents (minus)
I picked up my mail today, a weeks worth as I neglected to do so earlier. In my box was 4 separate mailings from the state democratic party - all addressed by name.
While I cannot cite 1 thing they are FOR, I do know what they are AGAINST. Sadly, this seems to be the whole democratic campaign in Hawaii - what they are against.
So, do I guess they are FOR the opposite of what they are against?
Against tax cuts = For tax increases?
Against fighting terrorists = For not fighting terrorists?
Against changes to social security = For not fixing social security?
Perhaps its just me, but I much prefer a candidate
spell out what they are FOR rather than list only what they are AGAINST.
Will the mystery be solved Tuesday? Don't ask me 
David
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yesterday a friend dropped off his empty containers, he for some reason desn't like to take them to the recycling center so he drops them off at my house. sorting thru them, cans, glass bottles(these are covered by the state bottle bill), and large plastic containers(these aren't)it ticked me off, why wouldn't this big pile of plastic bottles not be included? now it just gets thrown in the landfill? then i remembered why, lingle is moving hawaii forward, she veto'd the bill which was passed by the legislature that would have included them. just a small example of where her loyalties lie.
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Yes, David, it is indeed easier to run against something than to come up with a positive agenda. This has been a constant of American politics for both parties for a VERY long time, but people seem to put up with it. It is interesting to see local and state politicians running against policies over which they have little or no direct influence, but that is how the game is played.
Loffelkopffl, I have also wondered why our HI5 program does not extend to anything 2 liters or over. With our garbage crisis on the BI (and elsewhere in Hawaii,) it makes sense to extend it much farther. Also, I have always questioned why liquor bottles are not included. The way folks drink around my neighborhood, I think we are missing another major recycling opportunity.
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Jerry
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What we need is a three, four or even a five party system. Dems and Reps need to learn to compromise.
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I have been kind of amazed we have any recycling program at all and wonder where the "recycled" material goes. Recycle doesn't stop when a person drops off their bottles and newspapers at the recycling center. It starts there. So then what happens?
I am aware of no manufacturing or reuse process underway on the islands except some minimal use of crushed glass and Maui has a struggling HDPE plastic lumber facility. Does anyone know if our recyclables are baled and shipped back to the mainland? or processed here for some useful purpose?
Assume the best and ask questions.
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That is exactly what we asked at the Sierra Club gala the other night - where does the recycling go??
Recycle but use mega oil to ship back to the madlands?
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