Vaccine Rollout - State starts out with an 'F' but much improved, Big Island gets B+

[terracore]

"I am surprised that someone as aware of the costs of production on things like goats milk would miss the fact that this Insider article actually states that Pfizer REVENUES will actually be $15billion, that is the total, not what Pfizer makes (kinda like the expenses a goat farmer must pay to get a gallon of goats milk, they do not MAKE the total of the price they charge!)So yah, they will be getting paid for the costs that it takes to make the vaccine....
Unless folks like you are willing to give away the products they produce, what do you see wrong with taking in revenues for a product???"

I think that's an apples / oranges comparison. Pfizer received almost half a billion dollars from the German government to help fund development of the vaccine, and nearly two billion dollars in purchase agreements from the US federal government. Nobody subsidizes the cost of us to produce farm products, or guarantees to buy it. Pfizer and the rest of the vaccine companies were also given indemnity from ever being sued by people harmed or killed by a covid vaccine, so profits are guaranteed from getting clawed back by lawsuits.

[Durian Fiend]

A family member of ours from Alaska who received the Pfizer 2 shot vaccine in February and had a negative covid test before flying into Kona for a conference in late March (a month after the second shot) was diagnosed with covid upon return to Alaska last week. She's in her mid 40's and had light flu like symptoms.  Now she's in quarantine at home in Alaska and has to list all the people she was in contact with both in Alaska and Hawaii. So while the vaccines may reduce symptoms of covid  you can still get it and spread it.

Interesting. Conference, as in a bunch of people from out of state got together in person? 
I wonder if some breakthrough cases result from a poor vaccine batch or if it’s entirely due to an individual’s response. This coronavirus is one heckuva nasty bug, for sure.

[Carey]

Macuu, there have been a few folks that have contracted COVID both after vaccination (this is not even the 1st case of a traveler coming to our islands after fully vaccinated & arriving back home with COVID) & "natural" immunity after infection.
This is the main reason why the CDC still recommends many of the precautions we are all used to hearing about over the last year for those that have been vaccinated:
Wear masks
Stay socially distanced
Avoid crowds & poorly ventilated places
Wash hand & do not touch face...
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...nated.html

Terracore, the comp is actually more alike than you may have thought & was intentionally chosen!... as the dairy industry (including cow, sheep & goat dairies) have been on the federal subsidy for almost a century... since 1930....
If you do not wish to apply for, or comply with the regulations to receive, a subsidy, that is your right as a producer. There have been goat farmers on our island that have received loss of production & many other USDA programs initiatives to produce.

It is too bad you actually lost the meaning of my statement, & that is the Verge (blink & you will miss it) news article you quoted actually did not state the correct meaning of the monies, as the report was on the REVENUE, not the money made by Pfizer... & of course the revenues would include all of the subsidies, plus the costs of production...

Again, anyone who would like to reduce the cost of getting the vaccines into the arms of our islandsʻ population should spend their time VOLUNTEERING , rather than bitching about the cost of production of a vaccine they are getting FOR FREE!!!!! (ie, totally subsidized by International, Federal, State & local governments AND by private organizations & individuals.....
Please, I would love to see your family out volunteering at the clinics (maybe choose Moderna, which had a generous donation by a county singer )... or making masks for folks that cannot get them (this includes children's masks for kids in child protective service)..... or giving to this effort in some other way

I am so over the belly-aching from folks here that are doing nothing more than complaining, to assist in moving us forward on this, please assist & stop belly-aching!!!!

[terracore]

The latest on the J&J clots:

"U.S. health authorities came close to simply warning about a blood-clotting risk from Johnson & Johnson’s JNJ, COVID-19 vaccine, but decided to recommend pausing use out of concern doctors would improperly treat the condition, people familiar with the matter said."

"Four of six women in the U.S. who developed the blood clots days after vaccination had initially been given heparin, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Its use could have worsened the patients’ condition"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/j-j-va...latestnews

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The state COVID website has posted the % vaccinated by zip code.  Hilo looks very good, Pahoa is lagging:

https://health.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdis...waii/#maps

[Justin]

Kind of surprised at Pahoa, given how many retirees are here. 35% is nowhere near sufficient. It's crazy to me that so many people, for over a year, have been bitching "when can we can get back to normal??!!" and the answer, for the last couple months, has been "when everyone gets a vaccine.", but the response to that has been "yeah, but not that."

[eightfingers2.0]

Maybe they want “everyone else” to get the vaccine.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Earlier there was discussion about the original title of this thread which was something like:

Vaccine Rollout - State starts out with an 'F' 


As Pahoa residents have shown with their dismal participation in the COVID vaccine rollout, sometimes it doesn’t matter whether the state effort was good or bad (and it turned out exceptionally well), lower Puna can look at what’s offered, for free, and still manage to represent the left edge of the bell curve.

And we wonder why the County & State treat us the way they often do.

[randomq]

I think what you're all missing is lower Puna has weed tinctures and healing crystals, so they are basically immune to Covid. (Unless a 5G tower is installed, of course.)

[tada]

I got my first Moderna on 5/5 and felt wondaful except for my achy arm site injection. Got the 2nd yesterday and feel miserable. Achy at the site and all over. Creeky knees and flush face. I think I going take a aspirin and more after that even though the docs hate it!!