Hawaiian history

[tada]

19th century Hawaiian history as told by James Haley who was told only Hawaiians can write about Hawaiian history.


https://www.c-span.org/video/?425482-1/h...liuokalani

[randomq]

Watched it, thanks. Some very interesting details I had not heard before! He also glossed over a few things, but I guess you have to in an hour long talk about decades.

[tada]

Ya when I watched that talk I noticed the timestamp 2017. The pc sensitivity must have gone up 8 times since then. And I didn't know the Bishop Museum was controversial.

[leilanidude]

19th century Hawaiian history as told by James Haley who was told only Hawaiians can write about Hawaiian history.
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Except that Hawaiians did not have a written language...

[Olohana 1790]

funny

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Hawaiians did not have a written language...

If you have any interest in posting accurate information on this topic you can read the English translation of David Malo's classic book, known as Hawaiian Antiquities:

David Malo (ca. 1793–1853) stands with Samuel Kamakau and John Papa ‘Ī‘ī as one of the three most significant Native Hawaiian historians of the nineteenth century. Malo’s Hawaiian Antiquities is considered a classic and deserves a place in the library of any serious student of Hawaiiana. Raised among chiefs, priests, artisans, and scholars in the court of Kamehameha I, Malo provides one of the few authentic sources of information on the ancient beliefs and practices of Hawaiians.
https://bishopmuseumpress.org/products/h...lo-hawai-i

All of Maloʻs writing, his intellectual production and the moʻokūʻauhau (genealogies), kanikau (laments), letters and published works were all composed ma ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi, in the Hawaiian language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Malo

[kalianna]

"Except that Hawaiians did not have a written language... "

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Uh... no.

"In 1834, the first Hawaiian-language newspapers were published by missionaries working with locals. The missionaries also played a significant role in publishing a vocabulary (1836)[38] grammar (1854)[39] and dictionary (1865)[40] of Hawaiian. The Hawaiian Bible was fully completed in 1839; by then, the Mission had such a wide-reaching school network that, when in 1840 it handed it over to the Hawaiian government, the Hawaiian Legislature mandated compulsory state-funded education for all children under 14 years of age, including girls, twelve years before any similar compulsory education law was enacted for the first time in any of the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

"In 1834, the first Hawaiian-language newspapers... 

Good observation kalianna.  Here's a list for some of them.  Perhaps anyone who thinks there are no newspapers, or few because there is no written Hawaiian language, can start at the top of the list, work their way to the bottom, and get back to us with a book/newspaper report.

http://nupepa.org/gsdl2.5/cgi-bin/nupepa?l=en

[PunaBaer]

Hawaiians did not have a written language...

If you have any interest in posting accurate information on this topic you can read the English translation of David Malo's classic book, known as Hawaiian Antiquities:...

Kindle version available on Amazon for $0.99.

[leilanidude]

"Except that Hawaiians did not have a written language... "

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Uh... no. 

"In 1834, the first Hawaiian-language newspapers were published by missionaries working with locals. The missionaries also played a significant role in publishing a vocabulary (1836)[38] grammar (1854)[39] and dictionary (1865)[40] of Hawaiian. The Hawaiian Bible was fully completed in 1839; by then, the Mission had such a wide-reaching school network that, when in 1840 it handed it over to the Hawaiian government, the Hawaiian Legislature mandated compulsory state-funded education for all children under 14 years of age, including girls, twelve years before any similar compulsory education law was enacted for the first time in any of the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language

You skipped an important part of that wiki page you quoted.

In 1820, Protestant missionaries from New England arrived in Hawaiʻi, and in a few years converted the chiefs to Congregational Protestantism, who in turn converted their subjects. To the missionaries, the thorough Christianization of the kingdom necessitated a complete translation of the Bible to Hawaiian, a previously unwritten language, and therefore the creation of a standard spelling that should be as easy to master as possible. The orthography created by the missionaries was so straightforward that literacy spread very quickly among the adult population; at the same time, the Mission set more and more schools for children.